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what would be the effect of my plumbing my heater blower into my air
filter so it blows air into the engine?

just a thought...


Regards.
Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)
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Mr.Nice. wrote:
> what would be the effect of my plumbing my heater blower into my air
> filter so it blows air into the engine?
Reduction in efficiency.
See "Carnot cycle": thermodynamics. The engine will see a smaller
differential between its inlet and outlets. This translates to a loss of
efficiency. Hot air is less dense, so the engine will see less oxygen in
a gievn volume of air.


Steve
 
On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:26:43 +0100, Mr.Nice.
<mr.nice@-nospam-clara.co.uk> wrote:

>what would be the effect of my plumbing my heater blower into my air
>filter so it blows air into the engine?
>
>just a thought...
>
>
>Regards.
>Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)

I haven't done the calculations, but I would imagine that the amount
of air your engine needs to suck in (2.5 litres 4000 times per minute)
would be well above what your heater could supply. So it would simply
act as an obstruction to the air flow.

Now if you can get it to spin at 30000 rpm (or whatever it is) like a
proper turbo....







.... it still won't work....

;-)


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Tim Hobbs wrote:

> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:26:43 +0100, Mr.Nice.
> <mr.nice@-nospam-clara.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>what would be the effect of my plumbing my heater blower into my air
>>filter so it blows air into the engine?
>>
>>just a thought...
>>
>>
>>Regards.
>>Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)
>
> I haven't done the calculations, but I would imagine that the amount
> of air your engine needs to suck in (2.5 litres 4000 times per minute)
> would be well above what your heater could supply. So it would simply
> act as an obstruction to the air flow.
>
> Now if you can get it to spin at 30000 rpm (or whatever it is) like a
> proper turbo....
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ... it still won't work....
>
>

Not really a turbo. More a super. Google for Amherst Villiers Blower for
more ideas that are too dangerous to consider....

P.
 
Just a thought would NoS work on a diesel ( Nitrous Oxide ), works in a
petrol engine but the diesel cycle is different is it not ????


"Paul S. Brown" <usenet060103@geekstuff.co.uk> wrote in message
news:2ke70kF1diaiU1@uni-berlin.de...
> Tim Hobbs wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:26:43 +0100, Mr.Nice.
> > <mr.nice@-nospam-clara.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >>what would be the effect of my plumbing my heater blower into my air
> >>filter so it blows air into the engine?
> >>
> >>just a thought...
> >>
> >>
> >>Regards.
> >>Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)
> >
> > I haven't done the calculations, but I would imagine that the amount
> > of air your engine needs to suck in (2.5 litres 4000 times per minute)
> > would be well above what your heater could supply. So it would simply
> > act as an obstruction to the air flow.
> >
> > Now if you can get it to spin at 30000 rpm (or whatever it is) like a
> > proper turbo....
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ... it still won't work....
> >
> >
>
> Not really a turbo. More a super. Google for Amherst Villiers Blower for
> more ideas that are too dangerous to consider....
>
> P.


 
In news:2ke70kF1diaiU1@uni-berlin.de,
Paul S. Brown <usenet060103@geekstuff.co.uk> expelled:
>
> Not really a turbo. More a super. Google for Amherst Villiers Blower
> for more ideas that are too dangerous to consider....
>
http://www.capa.com.au/kits_landrover.htm

I haven't tried one on a Rover but they really wake up the Holden V8's.


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Hirsty's <magnum.458@ntlworld.com> expelled:
> Just a thought would NoS work on a diesel ( Nitrous Oxide ), works in
> a petrol engine but the diesel cycle is different is it not ????

Only if you could get a whole load more fuel in at the same time - and with
the high compression of a diesel you'd probably blow little bits of engine
block all over the countryside.


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Ah right so not a good idea :)

"EMB" <embtwo@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
news:cbsqis$j08$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
> In news:fVmEc.60$wH5.51@newsfe3-win.server.ntli.net,
> Hirsty's <magnum.458@ntlworld.com> expelled:
> > Just a thought would NoS work on a diesel ( Nitrous Oxide ), works in
> > a petrol engine but the diesel cycle is different is it not ????
>
> Only if you could get a whole load more fuel in at the same time - and
with
> the high compression of a diesel you'd probably blow little bits of engine
> block all over the countryside.
>
>
> --
> EMB
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>
>


 
On or around Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:26:43 +0100, Mr.Nice.
<mr.nice@-nospam-clara.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:

>what would be the effect of my plumbing my heater blower into my air
>filter so it blows air into the engine?
>

assuming you're not talking about blowing warm air in, which would reduce
efficiency as has been said...

sod-all.

I once worked out how much air is flowing through a 2-litre engine doing
2000 rpm (the figures are chosen to make the sums easy) in terms of litres
per minute, and then consider that blowers are normally rated in cfm, and
there are 27 litres to a cf, and that to increase the power from the engine,
you need to get more mass of oxygen into it - in terms of blowing air in,
this means that you have to blow air in faster than it's arriving naturally;
I daresay calculating just how much air is a more difficult proposition.

I leave the numerical solution as an exercise for the reader :)

but in fact, all the heater blower will do is create an obstruction in the
airflow...
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On or around Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:31:09 +1200, "EMB" <embtwo@ihug.co.nz>
enlightened us thusly:

>In news:2ke70kF1diaiU1@uni-berlin.de,
>Paul S. Brown <usenet060103@geekstuff.co.uk> expelled:
>>
>> Not really a turbo. More a super. Google for Amherst Villiers Blower
>> for more ideas that are too dangerous to consider....
>>
>http://www.capa.com.au/kits_landrover.htm
>
>I haven't tried one on a Rover but they really wake up the Holden V8's.

Blimey. I know Oz$ are not as big as you'd think, but at close to 6K, I
doubt I'll be doing that to mine in the foreseeable future.

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"The breezy call of incense-breathing Morn, The swallow twittering
from the strawbuilt shed, The cock's shrill clarion, or the echoing
horn, No more shall rouse them from their lowly bed."
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Hirsty's wrote:

> Just a thought would NoS work on a diesel ( Nitrous Oxide ), works in a
> petrol engine but the diesel cycle is different is it not ????
>
>
> "Paul S. Brown" <usenet060103@geekstuff.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:2ke70kF1diaiU1@uni-berlin.de...
>> Tim Hobbs wrote:
>>
>> > On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:26:43 +0100, Mr.Nice.
>> > <mr.nice@-nospam-clara.co.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> >>what would be the effect of my plumbing my heater blower into my air
>> >>filter so it blows air into the engine?
>> >>
>> >>just a thought...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Regards.
>> >>Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)
>> >
>> > I haven't done the calculations, but I would imagine that the amount
>> > of air your engine needs to suck in (2.5 litres 4000 times per minute)
>> > would be well above what your heater could supply. So it would simply
>> > act as an obstruction to the air flow.
>> >
>> > Now if you can get it to spin at 30000 rpm (or whatever it is) like a
>> > proper turbo....
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ... it still won't work....
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Not really a turbo. More a super. Google for Amherst Villiers Blower for
>> more ideas that are too dangerous to consider....
>>
>> P.
It should work - extra fuel is probably just a matter of adjusting the
injection system, whether mechanical or computer controlled. Of course, if
you overdo it you could have problems, but the effect is the same as
turbocharging the engine, which can also cause problems, just adding more
oxidising potential to burn more fuel per cycle.
JD
 
In news:gmt4e09f4mhb0t5vbpmbvtubofqqcnorhe@4ax.com,
Austin Shackles <austin@ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk> expelled:
> On or around Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:31:09 +1200, "EMB"
> <embtwo@ihug.co.nz> enlightened us thusly:
>
>> In news:2ke70kF1diaiU1@uni-berlin.de,
>> Paul S. Brown <usenet060103@geekstuff.co.uk> expelled:
>>>
>>> Not really a turbo. More a super. Google for Amherst Villiers Blower
>>> for more ideas that are too dangerous to consider....
>>>
>> http://www.capa.com.au/kits_landrover.htm
>>
>> I haven't tried one on a Rover but they really wake up the Holden
>> V8's.
>
> Blimey. I know Oz$ are not as big as you'd think, but at close to
> 6K, I doubt I'll be doing that to mine in the foreseeable future.

That's only 2200 quid - cheap!! ;-)

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On or around Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:28:55 +1200, "EMB" <embtwo@ihug.co.nz>
enlightened us thusly:

>In news:gmt4e09f4mhb0t5vbpmbvtubofqqcnorhe@4ax.com,
>Austin Shackles <austin@ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk> expelled:
>> On or around Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:31:09 +1200, "EMB"
>> <embtwo@ihug.co.nz> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>> In news:2ke70kF1diaiU1@uni-berlin.de,
>>> Paul S. Brown <usenet060103@geekstuff.co.uk> expelled:
>>>>
>>>> Not really a turbo. More a super. Google for Amherst Villiers Blower
>>>> for more ideas that are too dangerous to consider....
>>>>
>>> http://www.capa.com.au/kits_landrover.htm
>>>
>>> I haven't tried one on a Rover but they really wake up the Holden
>>> V8's.
>>
>> Blimey. I know Oz$ are not as big as you'd think, but at close to
>> 6K, I doubt I'll be doing that to mine in the foreseeable future.
>
>That's only 2200 quid - cheap!! ;-)

bloody vehicle only cost me 1800...

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On Tuesday, in article
<fVmEc.60$wH5.51@newsfe3-win.server.ntli.net>
magnum.458@ntlworld.com "Hirsty's" wrote:

> Just a thought would NoS work on a diesel ( Nitrous Oxide ), works in a
> petrol engine but the diesel cycle is different is it not ????

It might not do the engine much good, but I don't see any reason why it
wouldn't work. You'd need to turn the fuelling up to take advantage of
it, and that would be the problem -- a diesel might not so easily take
into account such a short-term boost.

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In news:u585e0p50u7c7ajv0uu11t9um9rcet82ku@4ax.com,
Austin Shackles <austin@ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk> expelled:
>
> bloody vehicle only cost me 1800...

I know what you mean - buying new tyres for my latest acquisition is likely
to cost me almost half of the cost of the whole (road legal) vehicle.


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Mr.Nice. wrote:
> what would be the effect of my plumbing my heater blower into my air
> filter so it blows air into the engine?
Reduction in efficiency.
See "Carnot cycle": thermodynamics. The engine will see a smaller
differential between its inlet and outlets. This translates to a loss of
efficiency. Hot air is less dense, so the engine will see less oxygen in
a gievn volume of air.


Steve
 
Just a thought would NoS work on a diesel ( Nitrous Oxide ), works in a
petrol engine but the diesel cycle is different is it not ????


"Paul S. Brown" <usenet060103@geekstuff.co.uk> wrote in message
news:2ke70kF1diaiU1@uni-berlin.de...
> Tim Hobbs wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:26:43 +0100, Mr.Nice.
> > <mr.nice@-nospam-clara.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >>what would be the effect of my plumbing my heater blower into my air
> >>filter so it blows air into the engine?
> >>
> >>just a thought...
> >>
> >>
> >>Regards.
> >>Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)
> >
> > I haven't done the calculations, but I would imagine that the amount
> > of air your engine needs to suck in (2.5 litres 4000 times per minute)
> > would be well above what your heater could supply. So it would simply
> > act as an obstruction to the air flow.
> >
> > Now if you can get it to spin at 30000 rpm (or whatever it is) like a
> > proper turbo....
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ... it still won't work....
> >
> >
>
> Not really a turbo. More a super. Google for Amherst Villiers Blower for
> more ideas that are too dangerous to consider....
>
> P.


 
In news:2ke70kF1diaiU1@uni-berlin.de,
Paul S. Brown <usenet060103@geekstuff.co.uk> expelled:
>
> Not really a turbo. More a super. Google for Amherst Villiers Blower
> for more ideas that are too dangerous to consider....
>
http://www.capa.com.au/kits_landrover.htm

I haven't tried one on a Rover but they really wake up the Holden V8's.


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