Mackers said:
I know what you mean. I did have a moment where I thought I would, but there's no point now. By the time I'd got back to Preston, the asshole had put through a sale cancellation on Ebay, telling them that he was no longer selling, and that I hadn't been to collect so I hadn't paid. Not only did he diddle me, but he didn't want to pay his maximum 250.00 fee to Ebay. The worse thing is, him doing this (which he was savvy enough to know), took away my ebay tabs to request a partial refund or a return after I had the car appraised. It does bug me that he was just a greedy bastard who got me over a barrel, but I know that people like this are everywhere. I think they're wired differently.
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I understand your anger/fustration but how did he diddle you...you paid him and drove away with the vehicle...
 
Shippers said:
Good point @mick the builder...seller might have been in cahoots with mot station or been shafted by local garage...you'll never know... if you don't have a basic knowledge of vehicles buying used from owner or self trader get advise...
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Anyway. He sounded like a nice chap. He said he was only selling it because it was hard hooking his caravan handle onto the tow bar because of the spare wheel. I believed him. I'll put it all right. It's everything and more he had me over with. His shot of the interior to exclude the sagging roof could've only been captured if he'd twisted his arms above his head from the top right hand corner of the driver's door. All I need to do now is stop looking at it as a process of over-investing in something that'll never be worth what I end up spending on it, and start seeing the journey as me spending on it because I love it. In the latter frame of mind, I find that I don't feel so crap about being 'had'.
 
Mackers said:
Anyway. He sounded like a nice chap. He said he was only selling it because it was hard hooking his caravan handle onto the tow bar because of the spare wheel. I believed him. I'll put it all right. It's everything and more he had me over with. His shot of the interior to exclude the sagging roof could've only been captured if he'd twisted his arms above his head from the top right hand corner of the driver's door. All I need to do now is stop looking at it as a process of over-investing in something that'll never be worth what I end up spending on it, and start seeing the journey as me spending on it because I love it. In the latter frame of mind, I find that I don't feel so crap about being 'had'.
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they aint going down in value and most till you fettle them to your requirements are worn out corroded shouldnt really have past an mot vehicles
 
Shippers said:
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I understand your anger/fustration but how did he diddle you...you paid him and drove away with the vehicle...
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I asked him five times over half an hour to 'please just let me know if there's anything I should know about it". He went bright red after the cash had been exchanged and decided to tell me one thing that he said he'd forgot earlier, i.e. the fuel gauge is knackered. He said he'd had land rovers all his life. He knew full well the car needed about 1500 spending on it, and he didn't want to spend it. I've since been told that a couple of more knowledgeable landy people had seen it. He was offered 8 and 8.5k based on their appraisals. That's what it's turned out to be worth if you say it's worth 10k in good nick (8k). He alos said there was only one oxidisation bubble on the rear door. There's loads lol. It goes on, but I feel better for getting it off my chest. I just wish people weren't like that.
 
Mackers said:
Anyway. He sounded like a nice chap. He said he was only selling it because it was hard hooking his caravan handle onto the tow bar because of the spare wheel. I believed him. I'll put it all right. It's everything and more he had me over with. His shot of the interior to exclude the sagging roof could've only been captured if he'd twisted his arms above his head from the top right hand corner of the driver's door. All I need to do now is stop looking at it as a process of over-investing in something that'll never be worth what I end up spending on it, and start seeing the journey as me spending on it because I love it. In the latter frame of mind, I find that I don't feel so crap about being 'had'.
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Welcome to Landy Owning you've passed the initiation...you've not been had you've been converted...all be at a cost...were all in the same club...swmbo every time I say I'm just ordering some parts for the 101 beats me with birch brush...double whammy...don't no what's best though parts or??...
 
Sorry to hear about your experience of buying a Landy. It sounds like the seller capitalised on your lack of experience in buying land rovers, without being rude. It’s something you’ll be wary of next time. Unfortunately buying privately has little protection unless you want to pursue a civil claim but look at what eBay can do to help.
 
Knappster said:
Sorry to hear about your experience of buying a Landy. It sounds like the seller capitalised on your lack of experience in buying land rovers, without being rude. It’s something you’ll be wary of next time. Unfortunately buying privately has little protection unless you want to pursue a civil claim but look at what eBay can do to help.
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They can't read other posts about work done to vehicle since bought...
 
blue beasty said:
EBay will be very interested in a seller claiming item not collected to avoid paying fees. They'll chase him for it.

Won't help Mackers much other than maybe a certain sense of satisfaction.
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Yes I agree but what I meant was that the vehicle in question has had work done on it since bought so can now not be subject to a claim through ebay for a refund as a member was suggesting...how do I know it's had work done!!
 
blue beasty said:
EBay will be very interested in a seller claiming item not collected to avoid paying fees. They'll chase him for it.

Won't help Mackers much other than maybe a certain sense of satisfaction.
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This is true. It's up to them. They know I have the receipt the wife wrote out and he signed it. Obviously I have the logbook etc, the tratter's sat on my drive ... Ebay know I bought it, I put it through as a buy it now ... He gave permission to the garage to give me all the restoration pics of which there are hundreds. This was an agreement at point of sale. He's obviously told them they can't share them with me now. It's a shame, but it happens all the time. The Ebay online chat employee wasn't interested, but another was when I talked to them recently about something else. Blue Beasty's right. I believe they may be looking into it now.
 
Shippers said:
Yes I agree but what I meant was that the vehicle in question has had work done on it since bought so can now not be subject to a claim through ebay for a refund as a member was suggesting...how do I know it's had work done!!
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Ebay have the chat record where the first employee before I had to do the work fobbed me off. They also accept that as soon as the seller retracted the sale, I (or any buyer) has no tabs to press other than one to let them know they did or didn't get their money back.
 
Jesus the plot thickens...buy it now price...wife writes receipt...permission given for resto pics released from garage...what's next...why would you not as a seller use resto pics to sell vehicle...give permission your having a laugh...
 
You could say youve been ripped off/treated like a dimlow, but nearly all that is stuff that you would be putting right in the next couple of years anyway.
As it stands you just need to get on and do all the routine repairs sooner rather than later.
You'll love it when it's done anyway.
 
Shippers said:
Jesus the plot thickens...buy it now price...wife writes receipt...permission given for resto pics released from garage...what's next...why would you not as a seller use resto pics to sell vehicle...give permission your having a laugh...
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What are you dramatising now? The history of a vehicle and it's restoration is nice to keep in a file (if it's available). Not necessarily for profitable provenance, just as a history. If you buy or sell cars without placing no value on service history, work/part receipts, etc. then it is you that's the amatuer, so don't scoff at me as such. What's wrong with wanting a historical photographic library of the car. It's my property. It was included in the sale. If you don't have a CV, a record of your childhood immunisations, or other records, then I can understand your retort. As it happens you have and can clearly see the value of the same, so go and have a mint tea and take a deep breath.
 
Mackers said:
What are you dramatising now? The history of a vehicle and it's restoration is nice to keep in a file (if it's available). Not necessarily for profitable provenance, just as a history. If you buy or sell cars without placing no value on service history, work/part receipts, etc. then it is you that's the amatuer, so don't scoff at me as such. What's wrong with wanting a historical photographic library of the car. It's my property. It was included in the sale. If you don't have a CV, a record of your childhood immunisations, or other records, then I can understand your retort. As it happens you have and can clearly see the value of the same, so go and have a mint tea and take a deep breath.
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But you said you didn't get them the garage refused...what the fuc k has my medical record to do with anything..the only dramatist on this thread is you...
can you not maybe just relax and read and think about other people's opinions on your threads... remember you started it...others will pitch in..you might not agree with THEIR opinion...
 
Mackers said:
This is true. It's up to them. They know I have the receipt the wife wrote out and he signed it. Obviously I have the logbook etc, the tratter's sat on my drive ... Ebay know I bought it, I put it through as a buy it now ... He gave
permission to the garage to give me all the restoration pics of which there are hundreds. This was an agreement at point of sale. He's obviously told them they can't share them with me now. It's a shame, but it happens all the time. The Ebay online chat employee wasn't interested, but another was when I talked to them recently about something else. Blue Beasty's right. I believe they may be looking into it now.
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In my best...(Judge Rinders voice]
Where are the restoration photographs...
 
Mackers said:
Don't they say, in the right or wrong circumstances, most human beings can kill? So. Can most human beings quite easily rip someone else off, and what might lead them to do so? And why don't they care about the others they implicate as aiding and abetting? Do they need to be skint, want shut of a problem so desperately they lose sight of fellow man; because they don't care about others, or because they relish in shafting those with an ocean behind their ears? Are they bog standard sociopaths even?

It interests me cos I bought a tratter 4 weeks ago. The pictures I saw before travelling hundreds of miles turned out to be 5 years old. The 5k paint job I was told it had 4 years ago, transpires to have occurred 15 years ago. The tratter had 'passed; it's MOT the day before I collected it, but the hub seals, brakes, discs and drums were dangerous (I know, it's a grey area with MOTs now), pads **** wet with fluid; an empty and leaked power steering box, leaking sump, shagged shockers, half the dashboard lights not working (power, oil), locks shagged, wipers so f%$£ed I couldn;t see out the windows, AND sent away from the seller's home without normal oil in and not even a 27mm spanner to change a wheel if it'd popped on the way home. All that after he reneged on the cheaper deal and took full whack off me. A condition of the sale was getting the restoration photos. However, once i approached the seller with the problems, he instructed the garage not to send the pictures on the memory stick I sent to the garage. Now I know that some of you are thinking 'well if you're stupid enough, you deserve it', which leads to me asking: 'why take advantage of someone who doesn't know their arse from their elbow?'. Do you stick up for the target, or stand alongside the bully?

I'll get it all sorted. The car will want for nothing. But I think people who rip other people off are F453ing assholes. If you, in a premeditated way, rip people off, then don't talk to me on this forum, because I just think you're a f*&^ing asshole. I'd be absolutely mortified if someone even thought I'd ripped em off, and if you wouldn't feel the same, F&^k off (now I'm off to buy a frigging power steering box). B$%£$dsssss F%$£$% B$% F%$ c%^$ and t$%t

ps. No I'd never report the garage who MOT'd the car, a) because he could have been bull-sh&%ed to by the seller, plus I don't know the garage owner. He might have a family and kids and I wouldn't drop anyone in the sh%t
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you bought a 26 year old vehicle at 10 most are past it, when you buy a 2-3 year old car you expect it to not need any work,but after 26 years unless its fully restored and priced accordingly peoples idea of reasonable varies,stil shocks are cheap so are brakes a rotten chassis not so
 
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