dwalsh1

dwalsh1

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This has been covered numerous times. I had some work done on the car and the mechanic mentioned there was a lot of rust underneath. I contacted these people but my question is has anyone had any work done by them ? http://www.waxoyltreatment.co.uk/land-rover-waxoyl/ This is what they claim to do.
"The Waxoyl treatment includes the complete treatment of the chassis along with cavities. The cost of providing the service is £440 including vat payable in cash or by debit card on the collection of your car.
The Waxoyl treatment is completed by a fully trained operative, your vehicle will be fully cleaned and prepared prior to its treatment which includes the removal of loose rust to ensure we apply treatment to a solid material. The Waxoyl is applied via compressor to ensure an even and thorough coating" This all sounds great but I'd like someone else's view. I have been quoted £200 by Alex Engineering who service/repair Landrovers which I may opt for but they will just brush the rust off and paint on. I love the car and was planning on keeping it for a long time and no I don't want to do it myself before you ask :)
 
You have more consumer rights if you pay by credit card. If paying by debit card, payment should always be after the services have been rendered, then you can withhold payment if you are not satisfied.
Companies don't like credit cards as the processing costs are higher, and credit card companies can withdraw the payment and or sue the company on your behalf.
I worked in retail for 20 years if you wondered why I know this stuff.
Never pay up front for services with cash or debit.
Mike
 
If you don't mind getting messy? You can do a reasonably good Waxoyl job yourself for around £100. This will take a couple of weekends in the summer. One weekend is used to pressure wash the underside clean of dirt and flaking underseal. Then a drying period is needed which needs a few dry days. Then you can treat the box sections and flaked underseal. It's not a difficult job, just messy.
 
Nodge68 said:
If you don't mind getting messy? You can do a reasonably good Waxoyl job yourself for around £100. This will take a couple of weekends in the summer. One weekend is used to pressure wash the underside clean of dirt and flaking underseal. Then a drying period is needed which needs a few dry days. Then you can treat the box sections and flaked underseal. It's not a difficult job, just messy.
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Thanks Nodge68 but the way the mechanic was talking the car is ready to be scraped. I'll pay and let someone else get messy. ta
BTW skinny Mike I don't have a credit card so it will have to be a debit card :(
 
I have to admit I'd be a little wary of any half decent sized operation that refused to take a credit card.

Not that I've got one but I'd suspect they've had problems with complaints.
 
dwalsh1 said:
Thanks Nodge68 but the way the mechanic was talking the car is ready to be scraped. I'll pay and let someone else get messy. ta
BTW skinny Mike I don't have a credit card so it will have to be a debit card :(
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If the car is just about to fall apart with rust then I'd not waste my money on it tbh. Things like Waxoyl are only any good if the bodywork is basically sound but has some light corrosion. If corrosion is bad enough for the garage to be concerned, the Waxoyl won't help. It'll just hide the rot and make subsequent repairs almost impossible.
Just how bad is the rust, photos would help here ;)
 
I'm gonna let the people doing the job decide if the vehicle should be waxoyled. my guess is the garage could of been exaggerating a little.
 
dwalsh1 said:
I'm gonna let the people doing the job decide if the vehicle should be waxoyled. my guess is the garage could of been exaggerating a little.
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Will the people doing the treatment tell you truthfully that the body is too rusty to treat?
I'm not saying they would deliberately tell you that the work is worth doing but it wouldn't be an unbiased opinion.
 
TBH I'm a little worried at what the state of the vehicle is in and I hope they give me an honest opinion. I love the car but beginning to wish I never clapped eyes on it. I'm hoping it all ends well. We'll see
 
If you are worried about the condition PRIOR to treatment - talk to a local MOT station - a good one - and tell them you want an inspection on the general condition of the underside of the vehicle and a VERBAL report (they will not give you a written report but they are totally unbiased and know what they are doing).. I am sure they will charge you a small amount but not much.
If it is good, which I am sure it is - then the 200 quid option sounds good providing they use genuine waxoyl, AND fully inject into the cavities and all cover all the outside. Waxoyl is amazing stuff on a sound base. I agree with above that LOOSE rust should be removed, but no need to remove surface rust.
ANY company that tells you you should waxoyl it or scrap it is conning you to get work. Each one is mutually exclusive.
 
Alternative pricing here:
http://www.waxoilme.co.uk/?page_id=6


Wax Olying is worth while, but it won't cure or get rid of rust. But it can slow it down and help prevent it on good metal.

Brushing it on will be hugely labour intensive and likely a poor end result. Anyone quoting £200 to do this, has either seriously under estimated how long it will take, or intend not to actually get much coverage.
 
If your car is more than five minutes old and made in the winter it will be rusting already. But in places you can't see. :D:D
 
Absolutely disagree. Waxoyl spraying - internal and external - is not particularly labour intensive and does not need people with an IQ above single digits - sorry - but !!!.

200 quid is a good price and about right.

AND ! cash payments on the day ???? - well, I would CERTAINLY avoid YOUR service....

End of chat.... rip off !!
 
You are unrealistic as well as coming over as a bit of tit. To do a proper Wax Oyl job on a discovery will probably use £90 of Wax Oyl and spraying will take 3-4 hrs work as a minimum. Brushing it on will not get the coverage and will take at least 3 times longer.

Anyone claiming to do this for £200 is lying or intends not to do a comprehensive job. As for cash on the day. How else would you expect to pay, good will, finance maybe???

Not every company is a large organisation. In fact many/most small garages or workshops are the complete opposite.
 
300bhp/ton said:
You are unrealistic as well as coming over as a bit of tit. To do a proper Wax Oyl job on a discovery will probably use £90 of Wax Oyl and spraying will take 3-4 hrs work as a minimum. Brushing it on will not get the coverage and will take at least 3 times longer.

Anyone claiming to do this for £200 is lying or intends not to do a comprehensive job. As for cash on the day. How else would you expect to pay, good will, finance maybe???

Not every company is a large organisation. In fact many/most small garages or workshops are the complete opposite.
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I think the passage -"You are unrealistic as well as coming over as a bit of tit" would apply to your original post (which unfortunately I did not quote before you altered it apparently due to embarrassment !. to remove the poorly worded context and large capitalised price of £400 and CASH ONLY !!!!!!!) - your words - not mine.
Not every company is a large organisation. In fact many/most small garages or workshops are the complete opposite.
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Well, err yes, a complete opposite of a large company IS a small company or one man band etc...
As for paying, definitely not cash as a mandatory method - debit or preferably credit card, or indeed - run a mile at ANY company that insists on CASH ONLY.
I never mentioned brushing it on as an option btw.. You are reasonably close with your 3 hours probably a bit less on a FL in any organised place, and possibly around 60 quid (trade) for waxoyl is a more appropriate price. As for you wanting £100 an hour you are being a total tit.
Hopefully people will run a mile.
Enjoy the publicity.
 
Hi DW, I suppose it all depends on what you want. I mean, do you actually want a 'restoration' - or part of ?
I really do recommend getting it assessed at a non biased independent inspection facility - MOT stations are ideal. NOT by booking an MOT necessarily - simply talking to them and asking them to give you a verbal assessment of the corrosion - or lack of !.
Without that, you are are really (IMHO) going down the wrong route - you NEED a baseline from which to work. Once you have that, it should be a fairly simple matter of deciding what you want to do. ANY company that is in the business of prolonging a vehicles life are likely to be biased towards selling (and UP-SELLING!!!) their 'services'
You are highly unlikely to get an unbiased honest opinion from someone with a vested interest in selling you their services.

Please take a step back and first of all assess what the general condition is.
I hope that helps mate.
Rgds,
Joe
 
Joe_H said:
Hi DW, I suppose it all depends on what you want. I mean, do you actually want a 'restoration' - or part of ?
I really do recommend getting it assessed at a non biased independent inspection facility - MOT stations are ideal. NOT by booking an MOT necessarily - simply talking to them and asking them to give you a verbal assessment of the corrosion - or lack of !.
Without that, you are are really (IMHO) going down the wrong route - you NEED a baseline from which to work. Once you have that, it should be a fairly simple matter of deciding what you want to do. ANY company that is in the business of prolonging a vehicles life are likely to be biased towards selling (and UP-SELLING!!!) their 'services'
You are highly unlikely to get an unbiased honest opinion from someone with a vested interest in selling you their services.

Please take a step back and first of all assess what the general condition is.
I hope that helps mate.
Rgds,
Joe
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Thanks Joe. I'm gonna take that on board and take it to the place I get it MOTd from. Cheers.............dennis
 
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