On 8 Aug 2004 12:50:20 -0700, mrbigsociety@hotmail.com (Mr Big
Society) wrote:

>We in the Democrat Party favor a National ID [SLAP]


****ing dumbass republican.
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"Mr Big Society" <mrbigsociety@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> You will support the Democrat Party and its views. You are not allowed
> to think differently and to do so is at your own peril such as losing
> your job, sensitivity training and other penalties proscribed by law
> and regulations.
>
> Kerry & Edwards in 2004. Good for Society.


Sieg Heil!


 

"Gary L. Burnore" <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote in message
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> On 8 Aug 2004 12:50:20 -0700, mrbigsociety@hotmail.com (Mr Big
> Society) wrote:
>
> >We in the Democrat Party favor a National ID [SLAP]


Actually the programs supported by the Democratic party headed that way.
Many of them supported by the eastern liberal wing of the part, more so than
the western, and at times, fringe elements. While not called a National ID,
it will be the same effect.


 
In article <9397ad64.0408081150.4ad45828@posting.google.com>,
mrbigsociety@hotmail.com says...
>
> We in the Democrat Party favor a National ID and state to state ticket
> reciprocity including foreign countries. Your state driving record
> should reflect you driving history worldwide ! This means if you get a
> ticket in Malaysia or in France, it should be on your driving record
> back at home with points and the mandatory insurance rate increase.
> Society favors this and to disagree is something we won't tolerate.
>
> You will support the Democrat Party and its views. You are not allowed
> to think differently and to do so is at your own peril such as losing
> your job, sensitivity training and other penalties proscribed by law
> and regulations.
>
> Kerry & Edwards in 2004. Good for Society.
>
>


The alternative, vote Republican and be blown up in Malaysia.
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I guess this is off-tangent but I have dealt with this East-Coast
mentality before especially in the workplace. I worked for managers
who are from the East Coast and not only do they expect a job to get
done which I don't have a problem with but they micromanage how you
get the job done which I do have a problem with. I have been dictated
to how I should dress even coming in on overtime on weekends, how to
put my hours (they believe in 8 to 5, I prefer to get in at 6 and
leave at 2:30 or 3:00) in even though my work is depended on dealines
that are date based and I hardly interact with other people.

On this DLA, as per postng, one state is a member - Connecticut, an
Eastern Liberal state. Also a lot of insurance companies are based in
that state. CT is also known to have at one time a radar detector ban
like VA and DC and they are very strict in their enforcement of motor
vehicle laws (posted on signs at the state line entering). That is one
of the states I got frequently followed by state troopers when I
passed through there last year on vacation. They also have very high
traffic fines that is adjusted to the rate of inflation. Connecticut
also has a lot of "old money" which supports Liberal Gov't and there
is a defintely a class system there from what I saw when I use to take
business trips there a few years back. We go to dinner at around 7 or
8 and we stop at the hotel for a half-hour and that gave me time to
get out of the work clothes and get something comfortable on
(jeans/sweat shirt - in Oct). I got looks and comments from people on
how I should dress better. The American Western states, people don't
give a rats @$$ here on how you dress when you go out. You even have
wealthy people who dress in jeans, shorts/sandals.

Also looking at the AAMVA site, they are also based on the East Coast
in Virginia. I hope the legislators in many of the Western States
reject this legislation in the State House but unsure especially if
the Fed's dictate this. They have a bad habit of the East Coast
mentality of micromanaging such as 55 mph, the current 0.08 BAC limit,
the 21 drinking age. Most of this legislation came from East Coast
politicians such as for 55 mph - Rep. James Howard of NJ and father of
55 mph. Almost all of the East Coast politicians were in favor of
retaining 55 mph when it was repealed in 1996 and BTW, Ted Kennedy
voted to keep 55 mph. The East Coast states also retained 55 mph for
ALL highways from when 65 mph was allowed in 1987 to the mid-90's.

I also looked at the AAMVA policy states on their web site (hard to
get through and with many password protected pages) and they are
against tinted windows, radar detectors, aftermarket lighting and
other "micromanagement". The organization is composed of motor vehicle
officials (DMV's, etc) and law enforcement officials such as State
Police/Highway Patrol/State Patrol's.


"Starwolf" <Not Today Eh?> wrote in message news:<V5OdncilVb7FPovcRVn-og@comcast.com>...
> "Gary L. Burnore" <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote in message
> news:cf60vs$jp2$4@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
> > On 8 Aug 2004 12:50:20 -0700, mrbigsociety@hotmail.com (Mr Big
> > Society) wrote:
> >
> > >We in the Democrat Party favor a National ID [SLAP]

>
> Actually the programs supported by the Democratic party headed that way.
> Many of them supported by the eastern liberal wing of the part, more so than
> the western, and at times, fringe elements. While not called a National ID,
> it will be the same effect.

 
itworker69@netscape.net wrote:
>
> This new legislation as proposed by the American Assoc. of Motor
> Vehicle Administrators (AAMVA) (Web - http://www.aamva.org) should be
> strongly opposed by motorists. If this comes up in the state house,
> you will need to let your legislators know that you are opposed to
> this. It is wrong to get punished at home for a traffic violation
> that you committed in a different state and you paid that state's
> penalty. You should not get punished twice with a fine and points in a
> state you got a ticket in and then points and the following insurance
> hike when you get home !


You know, I think this could be good, with a few additions:

If a citizen of state A gets a ticket in state B, which is
found unjustified (not just innocent, but unjustified) by
a court in state A, triple the fine plus court and travel
costs are to be refunded by state B to the ticketed person.
Possibly, in addition, a point should be deducted from the
person's "state B" total.

Let's be fair. If state B can require that state A pull
a state A drivers' license, state A should be able to require
that state B obey due process as seen from state A.

Also, if points are ONLY counted on the home state's account,
your "double jeopardy" argument fades. If a state wants to
participate in this compact, they should not be able to
suspend driving privileges for a foreign driver AT ALL.

(Or at least, without a jury trial.)

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On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 13:39:27 GMT, "Arthur L. Rubin"
<ronnirubin@sprintmail.com> wrote:

>itworker69@netscape.net wrote:
>>
>> This new legislation as proposed by the American Assoc. of Motor
>> Vehicle Administrators (AAMVA) (Web - http://www.aamva.org) should be
>> strongly opposed by motorists. If this comes up in the state house,
>> you will need to let your legislators know that you are opposed to
>> this. It is wrong to get punished at home for a traffic violation
>> that you committed in a different state and you paid that state's
>> penalty. You should not get punished twice with a fine and points in a
>> state you got a ticket in and then points and the following insurance
>> hike when you get home !

>
>You know, I think this could be good, with a few additions:
>
>If a citizen of state A gets a ticket in state B, which is
>found unjustified (not just innocent, but unjustified) by
>a court in state A, triple the fine plus court and travel
>costs are to be refunded by state B to the ticketed person.
>Possibly, in addition, a point should be deducted from the
>person's "state B" total.
>
>Let's be fair. If state B can require that state A pull
>a state A drivers' license, state A should be able to require
>that state B obey due process as seen from state A.
>
>Also, if points are ONLY counted on the home state's account,
>your "double jeopardy" argument fades. If a state wants to
>participate in this compact, they should not be able to
>suspend driving privileges for a foreign driver AT ALL.
>
>(Or at least, without a jury trial.)


 
["Followup-To:" header set to rec.motorcycles.] On 2004-08-08, Nate
Nagel penned:
>
> You're kidding right? I'm sure nobody has ever gotten a ticket they
> didn't deserve in Mexico (or Virginia for that matter. Did you know
> that merely driving with the flow of traffic in many places is
> technically "reckless driving" and can be written as such?)


In point of fact, driving more than 20mph over the speed limit, or over
80 regardless of limit, is defined as reckless in VA. There are other
details to the reckless rules, but that's the gist of it. Of course, on
66, 95, etc, when you're not stuck in bumper to bumper traffic the flow
is often above 80.

Yet another reason I don't miss living in VA =)

Then again, if you go to court, you almost always get dropped down to
the next level of ticket, assuming you weren't driving with a suspended
license or anything. Whereas I recently found out that in CO, if you go
to court and lose, you get double the points you would have if you'd
meekly paid up. That just seems wrong to me, discouraging you from
claiming innocence, even if you think you might be right.


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In article <CrfRc.3584$UW6.548@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>,
roblitespeed@hotmail.com says...

>I have to agree somewhat with Lance here. If you drive like a moron, you
>shouldn't be exempt from punishment just because you weren't in your home
>state. I wish we'd get serious on drunk driving too. First offense, a
>month in jail and no driving for six months. If you kill someone, you never
>drive again. Second offense, six months in jail, never drive again. Drunk
>driving kills more that five times the number killed in the WTC attacks
>every year.


Tell that to the idiots setting up road blocks that annoy most drivers
and net no more drunk drivers, often less, than if the same number of
cops were on the road patrolling. Not to mention that those same officers
would be able to enforce other laws at the same time and not just stand
around wasting the time of road users.
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Rob May wrote:

> I have to agree somewhat with Lance here. If you drive like a moron, you
> shouldn't be exempt from punishment just because you weren't in your home
> state. I wish we'd get serious on drunk driving too. First offense, a
> month in jail and no driving for six months. If you kill someone, you never
> drive again. Second offense, six months in jail, never drive again. Drunk
> driving kills more that five times the number killed in the WTC attacks
> every year.
> Rob
>

Problem is, who says you have to drive like a moron to get a ticket
outside your home state? I bet it's real easy to get a ticket in
Mexico, for instance. Heck, it's real easy to get an undeserved ticket
just about anywhere. Difference is, when you're not in your home state
it's near impossible to fight the ticket.

nate

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On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:19:44 -0400, Nate Nagel wrote:

> Rob May wrote:
>
>> I have to agree somewhat with Lance here. If you drive like a moron,
>> you shouldn't be exempt from punishment just because you weren't in
>> your home state. I wish we'd get serious on drunk driving too. First
>> offense, a month in jail and no driving for six months. If you kill
>> someone, you never drive again. Second offense, six months in jail,
>> never drive again. Drunk driving kills more that five times the number
>> killed in the WTC attacks every year.
>> Rob
>>

> Problem is, who says you have to drive like a moron to get a ticket
> outside your home state? I bet it's real easy to get a ticket in
> Mexico, for instance.


Yes. Just blow through some ALTO signs and you will get a ticket in
Mexico.

> Heck, it's real easy to get an undeserved ticket just about anywhere.


Really?

> Difference is, when you're not in your home state it's near impossible
> to fight the ticket.


If you mean it is impossible to fight the ticket because it would involve
a lengthy trip, then how did that guy get to the distant state in the
first place.


> nate


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Lance Lamboy wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:19:44 -0400, Nate Nagel wrote:
>
>
>>Rob May wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I have to agree somewhat with Lance here. If you drive like a moron,
>>>you shouldn't be exempt from punishment just because you weren't in
>>>your home state. I wish we'd get serious on drunk driving too. First
>>>offense, a month in jail and no driving for six months. If you kill
>>>someone, you never drive again. Second offense, six months in jail,
>>>never drive again. Drunk driving kills more that five times the number
>>>killed in the WTC attacks every year.
>>>Rob
>>>

>>
>>Problem is, who says you have to drive like a moron to get a ticket
>>outside your home state? I bet it's real easy to get a ticket in
>>Mexico, for instance.

>
>
> Yes. Just blow through some ALTO signs and you will get a ticket in
> Mexico.
>


I'm sure some of our more traveled readers can explain some other ways
to get a ticket in Mexico. Not all of them involve illegal or unsafe
activity.

>
>>Heck, it's real easy to get an undeserved ticket just about anywhere.

>
>
> Really?


Yes, really. Have you been reading this newsgroup, or just masturbating
to yourself?

>
>
>>Difference is, when you're not in your home state it's near impossible
>>to fight the ticket.

>
>
> If you mean it is impossible to fight the ticket because it would involve
> a lengthy trip, then how did that guy get to the distant state in the
> first place.
>


You know, some of us have real jobs and real lives. Some of those jobs
and lives require us to be one place one week and another, distant place
a few months later. It's one thing to fly halfway across the country
(or even out of the country) on an expense account, and another thing
entirely to fly back again on one's own dime for a court appearance.

nate

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"Lance Lamboy" <lance.lamboy@lamboy.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.08.10.23.37.52.509919@lamboy.nospam.com...
> On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:19:44 -0400, Nate Nagel wrote:
>
> > Rob May wrote:
> >
> >> I have to agree somewhat with Lance here. If you drive like a moron,
> >> you shouldn't be exempt from punishment just because you weren't in
> >> your home state. I wish we'd get serious on drunk driving too. First
> >> offense, a month in jail and no driving for six months. If you kill
> >> someone, you never drive again. Second offense, six months in jail,
> >> never drive again. Drunk driving kills more that five times the number
> >> killed in the WTC attacks every year.
> >> Rob
> >>

> > Problem is, who says you have to drive like a moron to get a ticket
> > outside your home state? I bet it's real easy to get a ticket in
> > Mexico, for instance.

>
> Yes. Just blow through some ALTO signs and you will get a ticket in
> Mexico.
>
> > Heck, it's real easy to get an undeserved ticket just about anywhere.

>
> Really?


Yes. I once got a parking ticket in my home town, while I was in a parking
lot, in the car, with the engine running, talking to my uncle in the car
beside mine. Seems there was a fire hydrant between the parking lot and the
street, and I was "illegally" parked because my car, running in a parking
lot with me inside it, was beside the hydrant.
I call that an undeserved ticket.

>
> > Difference is, when you're not in your home state it's near impossible
> > to fight the ticket.

>
> If you mean it is impossible to fight the ticket because it would involve
> a lengthy trip, then how did that guy get to the distant state in the
> first place.
>
>
> > nate

>
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