Turboman · Feb 27, 2015

warrior said:
I might email vosa asking if I can find an email,

If it's the case then there is very few car and very few vans which can tow a ifor lm trailer with a mam of 3500kg

90/110, Defender 90/110, Rangie, Disco, lwb Shogun/Pajero, Land Cruiser, maybe a handful of others.

All the hi-lux, Ford Rangers and so on towing 3500kg are illegal, not many seem to get pulled over, I suspect the police find this area as confusing as everyone else.

warrior · Feb 27, 2015

Turboman said:
90/110, Defender 90/110, Rangie, Disco, lwb Shogun/Pajero, Land Cruiser, maybe a handful of others.

All the hi-lux, Ford Rangers and so on towing 3500kg are illegal, not many seem to get pulled over, I suspect the police find this area as confusing as everyone else.

I don't think it's illegal to tow them tho solong as they don't weight more than the max train weight, ie the trailer not fully loaded.

The new Isuzu pick up has just been unrated to 3500 kg towing capacity

Pikey · Feb 27, 2015

warrior said:
I don't think it's illegal to tow them tho solong as they don't weight more than the max train weight, ie the trailer not fully loaded.

The new Isuzu pick up has just been unrated to 3500 kg towing capacity

Nope it is the MAX weight on the trailer that is important doesn't matter if it's empty or fully loaded..

Animal88 · Feb 27, 2015

my D1 weights just off of 2.5 ton (had it on the scrap yard weigh bridge) and I have had 3448 kg behind it. going by the vin plate of the car on the trailer + the trailer plate itself. I've got a 2" lift with standard road tyres and that towed fine

warrior · Feb 27, 2015

So to tow a 3.5 ton trailer you need a landrover or one of the few others,

Iann · Feb 28, 2015

what is the load rating of 33 inch tyres
there is a lot of blinged vans running around on low profile car tyres that are not rated for wot the van can carry. weather they ever load it up or not they have to have rated tyres

Turboman · Feb 28, 2015

warrior said:
So to tow a 3.5 ton trailer you need a landrover or one of the few others,

That is my belief, yes. But as I said before, the letter of the law seems to be widely ignored.

Iann said:
what is the load rating of 33 inch tyres
there is a lot of blinged vans running around on low profile car tyres that are not rated for wot the van can carry. weather they ever load it up or not they have to have rated tyres

The original question was whether it was possible to tow with large non-standard tyres. Whether or not it is legal is a whole other can of worms

goonarmy · Feb 28, 2015

Pikey said:
Nope it is the MAX weight on the trailer that is important doesn't matter if it's empty or fully loaded..

We have downrated plant trailers to go behind transits.

haigy · Feb 28, 2015

The 90 weight and trailer and load can be up to 3.5 tons in total on a b e license.

Anything over 3.5 ton and tacho is needed and cpc qualification.

So if 90 can carry a ton in bk and trailer can carry 3.5 tons your over weight.

90 weighs 2 ton
Trailer 400kg empty thats 2.4 ton meaning load can only be 1100 to get ya 3.5ton.

listerdiesel · Feb 28, 2015

Tachograph is only needed for commercial use, private use is exempt.

Weight figures for licencing purposes are plated weight, not the actual weight.

3.5 tonnes behind a Disco 2 V8 with 255/65R16 tyres is fine, but once you start raising the roll centre by lifting and fitting bigger tyres you're going to get into trouble with a big tankslapper.

Remember the Discovery on its side in Motorway Cops?

Peter

listerdiesel · Feb 28, 2015

This email to me from DVLA this week should clear the misconceptions. It was related to C1+E license with 107 code, but the principal is the same for other groups:

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"Thank you for your email received on 22/2/15. Your email reference number is XXXXXX.

The definition of category C1E with the 107 restriction code is as follows:

Category C1E – Vehicles between 3500kg and 7500kg with a trailer over 750kg (combined weight not more than 8250kg), and designed and constructed for the carriage of no more than eight passengers in addition to the driver.

I can confirm that the weights given above are based on the maximum authorised mass of the vehicle and trailer.

The terms `maximum authorised mass' (MAM), `gross weight'; and `permissible maximum weight' all have the same meaning; i.e. the weight of the vehicle, plus the maximum load the vehicle may safely carry.

If a vehicle is unlikely to be used at its potential maximum weight most vehicles may be downplated; i.e. the vehicles springs or other components can be changed; so that only a lighter load can be carried. The Agency's plate on the vehicle may be changed to correspond with this.

The MAM or gross weight of the vehicle is the deciding factor in determining what driving entitlement is required.

Although the combined weight may be within the train weight of the vehicle this has no bearing on the driving entitlement required.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The other thing to think about is that under C1+E the LADEN weight of the trailer must not exceed the UINLADEN weight of the towing vehicle.

This does not affect Land Rovers.

Peter

martin1512 · Feb 28, 2015

haigy said:
The 90 weight and trailer and load can be up to 3.5 tons in total on a b e license.

Anything over 3.5 ton and tacho is needed and cpc qualification.

So if 90 can carry a ton in bk and trailer can carry 3.5 tons your over weight.

90 weighs 2 ton
Trailer 400kg empty thats 2.4 ton meaning load can only be 1100 to get ya 3.5ton.

Couldn't be more wrong if you tried

a B+E entitlement allows to to tow any trailer provided that neither the vehicles max towing capacity or its max train weight is exceeded. The 3.5t train limit applies if you have category B entitlement only.

warrior · Feb 28, 2015

I emailed vosa last night asking about towing behind my van for domestic use, basically the weights of everything involved and just wait and see, is what bb has said is correct for me then there will be a nice 2010 transit upfor sale very soon.

warrior · Feb 28, 2015

Iann said:
what is the load rating of 33 inch tyres
there is a lot of blinged vans running around on low profile car tyres that are not rated for wot the van can carry. weather they ever load it up or not they have to have rated tyres

My 35x10.5x16 simex extreme trekker, have a max load rating as stated on the tyre 1360kg each I think defender 90 rear axle weight max is 1380kg so tyres can take double.

I belive vans don't hve to have van tyres if the gross weight is low enough, ie transit sport van, little vans like transit connect don't have a big enough carry capacity.

haigy · Feb 28, 2015

martin1512 said:
Couldn't be more wrong if you tried a B+E entitlement allows to to tow any trailer provided that neither the vehicles max towing capacity or its max train weight is exceeded. The 3.5t train limit applies if you have category B entitlement

Wrong.

He cant have a 90 as a tow car then fill his trailer to 3.5 ton n drive. Coz he be over weight.

N pulling a digger around would be classed as commercial.hence the tacho n cpc.

goonarmy · Feb 28, 2015

haigy said:
martin1512 said:

Couldn't be more wrong if you tried a B+E entitlement allows to to tow any trailer provided that neither the vehicles max towing capacity or its max train weight is exceeded. The 3.5t train limit applies if you have category B entitlement

Wrong.

He cant have a 90 as a tow car then fill his trailer to 3.5 ton n drive. Coz he be over weight.

N pulling a digger around would be classed as commercial.hence the tacho n cpc.

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What would be overweight?

warrior · Feb 28, 2015

goonarmy said:
haigy said:

What would be overweight?

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It would be over weight on a b lience but not b+e

Pikey · Feb 28, 2015

haigy said:
martin1512 said:

Couldn't be more wrong if you tried a B+E entitlement allows to to tow any trailer provided that neither the vehicles max towing capacity or its max train weight is exceeded. The 3.5t train limit applies if you have category B entitlement

Wrong.

He cant have a 90 as a tow car then fill his trailer to 3.5 ton n drive. Coz he be over weight.

N pulling a digger around would be classed as commercial.hence the tacho n cpc.

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Your wrong, and the simplest way to prove it is to google. "defender 90 gross train weight"

warrior · Feb 28, 2015

Pikey said:
haigy said:

Your wrong, and the simplest way to prove it is to google. "defender 90 gross train weight"

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Read it again I had to look twice, he is right, and wrong but he assuming that the driver or op of the thread (me) doesn't have a b+e but I do think he's talking about lience weights not the landrover capability

cooltide · Feb 28, 2015

Well I like martin
But then again I like haigy
But which is right?
There's only one way to find out...........

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