Saint.V8 said:

He's a particular fan of the Scoobie Forester....

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robhew86 said:

LOL. Saint, watched a few of your laning vid's on utube last night
i want to go and get mine dirty, what tyres are you running on?

Martyn - couldn't agree with you anymore!

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martynv8 said:

I guess this depends on what ones definition of 'decent' is.
Yes, there are more reliable 4x4's out there - the Landcruiser has a better rep, but have you ever driven / been in one - soul-less & cheap plastics, the look for me is no winner either.
RR's for me are by far the best drive experience, nothing comes near & this outweighs the reliability reputation.

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Datatek said:

Take a look at this
eBay item number:
171218148438





Or it's a scam. Zero feedback on the seller.

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Saint.V8 said:

Standard Road Tyres...

There is a longer vid I havn't uploaded yet, and this goes across the bottom corner of the island following the Tennyson Trial (which is currently closed - but there is a BOAT that runs alongside and across a farm which is the route we took)

I'll have to get some photos up of the trips we took!

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Datatek said:

The plastics in a Land Cruiser are much better quality than the L322, headlinings don't drop either.
Nothing IMO outweighs reliability, but reliability comes at a price that I cannot afford.

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StuckAgainSteve said:

With respect that's just your opinion! I rely on my car working, I drive up and down the country for work - my p38 is my daily driver, I'm lucky enough (within reason) to be able to afford any car I want - I already drive the car I want! If my car becomes unreliable it will be relegated to weekend plaything. But then if reliability was absolutely everything to me, I'd buy a chink. I think most of 'em are hateful soulless things. I'd much rather have a Fiat Panda Twin Air 4x4 over a LandCruiser! At least the Fiat has character. :behindsofa:

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StuckAgainSteve said:

With respect that's just your opinion! I rely on my car working, I drive up and down the country for work - my p38 is my daily driver, I'm lucky enough (within reason) to be able to afford any car I want - I already drive the car I want! If my car becomes unreliable it will be relegated to weekend plaything. But then if reliability was absolutely everything to me, I'd buy a chink. I think most of 'em are hateful soulless things. I'd much rather have a Fiat Panda Twin Air 4x4 over a LandCruiser! At least the Fiat has character. :behindsofa:

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martynv8 said:

I'd second this.
Mine is a daily driver (not because it has to be, we have an new AMG Merc in the household but i'll take the Rangie out every time). 40k miles over the last 2 years & never let me down. Gives me plenty of warning if something is not well.
Jap cars may win in the reliability stakes but with the mileage i can do up & down to London i want a nice experience. I've had some very nice company cars previous but none compare.

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Datatek said:

My idea on a nice experience (in respect of cars) is not feeling the need to carry diagnostics in the boot at all times.

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Saint.V8 said:

Where's the fun???

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Datatek said:

And fecking awful suspension/ride and terrible reliability Landcruisers Pajero's are jap not chink. The 7 year warranty/servicing on Kia's is very appealing

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StuckAgainSteve said:

Have you driven the new Panda 4x4? They ride like a limo compared to most modern cars - let alone a P38!

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Datatek said:

Big change from the Panda I had then.

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StuckAgainSteve said:

Yep, the ride quality of the new 4x4 in particular is astounding.

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Datatek said:

If it's like any of the Fiats I've had the springs will go soft and the thing will rot away shortly after the warranty expires, that's if the electrics don't fail first

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StuckAgainSteve said:

The only thing that ever rotted faster than my Fiat 131 SuperMirafiori was my Alfasud - what a brilliant car before it inevitably disintegrated before my very eyes. The current Panda has a excellent reputation for build quality and rust resistance - but then it's made in Poland - sadly they are in the process of moving production back to Italy - oh dear.

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