If you like to know what's happening, IMO you bought the wrong car. They are made for people who have no interest in driving or cars but just want to get in the car and go.
You're probably right, I've never been one to fit a particular label either :D
The most enjoyable car i had was the bmw 325i coupe... No electronic aids, reliable and lots of fun while still comfy. Problem was rubbish off-road and not much space. Hence going back to landys, I've actually enjoyed the l322 so far, not done any real distance yet though.
Is it the right car? It's cheaperer then a pretender and more comfy and cheaperer than a real one. At least it's not a jeep :eek:
 
yeah basically that's what it reads like to me

Well I have read that in Snow mode it starts out in 2nd gear to lessen wheel spin. It also reduces throttle response. I have only ever used show mode.

In January I was driving around in the snow with the 4x4 info screen displayed to see what the two diffs were doing. My SC has the locking rear diff, which by the way you can identify by looking for the activating motor on the outside of the diff. Anyhow, it was interesting to see the two diffs would only lock if I stomped on the gas. Even in deep snow they stayed unlocked.
 
Apologises as this is for the d3 but wished to at least share in case it’s useful of how systems are changed via the terrain response system


TERRAIN RESPONSE OPERATION
The following vehicle subsystem control modules are used for the Terrain Response system:
l Engine management (engine control module)
l Transmission control (transmission control module - automatic transmission only) l Transfer box control (transfer box control module)
l Rear differential control (rear differential control module - if fitted)
l Air suspension control (air suspension control module)
l Brake system (ABS/DSC/ETC/HDC functions) (ABS module)

Each subsystem operates in different ways in relation to the selected Terrain Response program to achieve the optimum traction, stability and ease of control for the terrain encountered. The system has a safety factor built in which ensures that any program can be safely used on any surface, even when an inappropriate program selection has been made.
Engine Management System (EMS)

The EMS varies the throttle pedal response to control the engine torque output. The EMS can change the throttle maps to change the amount of torque per percentage of pedal travel. The EMS can also change the throttle response to control the allowed torque change relative to the percentage pedal travel.

Each terrain program uses a combination of operating parameters for each subsystem. Changing between terrain programs initiates a different set of operating characteristics which will be noticeable to the driver. The driver will notice differences in engine and throttle response when, for example, the throttle pedal is held in a constant position and the terrain program is changed from grass/gravel/snow to sand, the driver will notice the torque and engine speed increase. If the terrain program is changed from sand to grass/gravel/snow the driver will notice a reduction in torque and engine speed.

NOTE:
The change in torque and engine speed can take approximately 30 seconds and care must be taken not to confuse the Terrain Response system operation with an EMS fault.
Transmission Control
The transmission control module changes the shift maps for the Terrain Response program selected. This changes the shift points providing early or late upshifts and downshifts.

On slippery surfaces the transmission will select 2nd gear in high range or 3rd gear in low range for starting from a standstill to minimise wheel slip. In muddy conditions the transmission will provide maximum torque output from the transmission. In sand the transmission will provide an output which passes maximum engine power from the transmission.

In rock crawl special program (low range) the transmission will select 1st gear for driving off.
Sport mode is only available when the general program is selected and the transfer box is in high range. Sport mode is disabled in low range and all Terrain Response special programs. CommandShiftTM is available in any program and also in high or low range.
If the transmission is in 'Sport' mode and a special program is subsequently selected, the transmission will automatically change to manual 'CommandShiftTM' mode. If a special program is already selected and the transmission selector lever is moved from drive 'D' to the 'Sport' mode position, the transmission will automatically change to 'CommandShiftTM' mode.

Transfer Box and Rear Differential Control
The transfer box electronically controlled differential and the rear electronically controlled differential (if fitted) are treated as one system. The electronic rear differential is an optional fitment on vehicles fitted with the Terrain Response system. The differential control has two operating strategies; pre-emptive and reactive.

The pre-emptive strategy anticipates and predicts the locking torque value required for each differential to minimise slip and maximise stability. Each Terrain Response program has a different threshold and input criteria for the pre-emptive strategy. The pre-emptive strategy improves vehicle traction and composure by avoiding wheel spin. This is achieved by anticipating the amount of differential lock required for the program selected. For example, a high locking torque would be applied for rock crawl or slippery surfaces.

The reactive strategy varies the amount of locking torque in response to the actual slip level and the dynamic behaviour of the vehicle. Each Terrain Response program has a different threshold and input for the reactive strategy. The reactive strategy improves vehicle traction and composure by eliminating any wheel spin which has occurred after the pre-emptive strategy was applied. The locking response applied is applicable to the terrain program selected, for example, very sensitive on slippery surfaces to provide maximum traction and minimise surface damage.

The locking torque calculations use various signals from other subsystems, for example, engine torque, throttle position, selected gear, steering angle, vehicle speed, lateral acceleration, yaw behaviour.

Air Suspension Control
The air suspension control module contains a strategy which provides automatic switching between normal and off-road heights. Changes in vehicle height settings will be relayed to the driver via the instrument cluster message center and LED illuminated icons on the switch. The automatic selection and deselection of the vehicle height provides automatic increase and decrease in ground clearance and aims to provide maximum benefit to the selected terrain program.
On a vehicle fitted with a correctly installed, Land Rover approved trailer socket, if an electrical load is sensed on the trailer socket, height changes are prohibited and the message center displays a message advising that a trailer is connected and off-road height is not automatically selected. The driver can raise the suspension manually using the air suspension switch.

NOTE:
The prohibiting of the automatic ride height selection is only operational if a Land Rover approved trailer socket is fitted and an electrical load is sensed on the socket.

ABS Control
The ABS module controls several vehicle functions and adjusts the operating parameters of these functions to optimise the selected Terrain Response program.
Traction control uses different slip/acceleration thresholds to improve traction and vehicle composure. For example, the system sensitivity is increased on slippery surfaces to reduce wheel spin.

If DSC is switched off (with the DSC switch on the instrument panel) when using a Terrain Response special program, if the special program is subsequently changed for a different program DSC is automatically switched back on.

The stability control uses different threshold values for the selected program to automatically reduce DSC intervention, removing the requirement for the driver to disable the DSC system in order to reduce engine intervention which is sometimes induced in extreme off-road conditions. In extreme sand conditions, there may be an additional benefit of disabling the DSC function using the DSC switch on the instrument panel in addition to selecting the sand program.

HDC is automatically switched on or off and target speeds are adjusted in response to the Terrain Response program selected. The responsiveness of the HDC function is also increased where required.

Automatic operation of HDC aims to assist the driver by switching the system on or off when it is of most benefit. Target speeds for HDC operation are also adjusted according the vehicle operating conditions.
 
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Apologises as this is for the d3 but wished to at least share in case it’s useful of how systems are changed via the terrain response system


TERRAIN RESPONSE OPERATION
The following vehicle subsystem control modules are used for the Terrain Response system:
l Engine management (engine control module)
l Transmission control (transmission control module - automatic transmission only) l Transfer box control (transfer box control module)
l Rear differential control (rear differential control module - if fitted)
l Air suspension control (air suspension control module)
l Brake system (ABS/DSC/ETC/HDC functions) (ABS module)

Each subsystem operates in different ways in relation to the selected Terrain Response program to achieve the optimum traction, stability and ease of control for the terrain encountered. The system has a safety factor built in which ensures that any program can be safely used on any surface, even when an inappropriate program selection has been made.
Engine Management System (EMS)

The EMS varies the throttle pedal response to control the engine torque output. The EMS can change the throttle maps to change the amount of torque per percentage of pedal travel. The EMS can also change the throttle response to control the allowed torque change relative to the percentage pedal travel.

Each terrain program uses a combination of operating parameters for each subsystem. Changing between terrain programs initiates a different set of operating characteristics which will be noticeable to the driver. The driver will notice differences in engine and throttle response when, for example, the throttle pedal is held in a constant position and the terrain program is changed from grass/gravel/snow to sand, the driver will notice the torque and engine speed increase. If the terrain program is changed from sand to grass/gravel/snow the driver will notice a reduction in torque and engine speed.

NOTE:
The change in torque and engine speed can take approximately 30 seconds and care must be taken not to confuse the Terrain Response system operation with an EMS fault.
Transmission Control
The transmission control module changes the shift maps for the Terrain Response program selected. This changes the shift points providing early or late upshifts and downshifts.

On slippery surfaces the transmission will select 2nd gear in high range or 3rd gear in low range for starting from a standstill to minimise wheel slip. In muddy conditions the transmission will provide maximum torque output from the transmission. In sand the transmission will provide an output which passes maximum engine power from the transmission.

In rock crawl special program (low range) the transmission will select 1st gear for driving off.
Sport mode is only available when the general program is selected and the transfer box is in high range. Sport mode is disabled in low range and all Terrain Response special programs. CommandShiftTM is available in any program and also in high or low range.
If the transmission is in 'Sport' mode and a special program is subsequently selected, the transmission will automatically change to manual 'CommandShiftTM' mode. If a special program is already selected and the transmission selector lever is moved from drive 'D' to the 'Sport' mode position, the transmission will automatically change to 'CommandShiftTM' mode.

Transfer Box and Rear Differential Control
The transfer box electronically controlled differential and the rear electronically controlled differential (if fitted) are treated as one system. The electronic rear differential is an optional fitment on vehicles fitted with the Terrain Response system. The differential control has two operating strategies; pre-emptive and reactive.

The pre-emptive strategy anticipates and predicts the locking torque value required for each differential to minimise slip and maximise stability. Each Terrain Response program has a different threshold and input criteria for the pre-emptive strategy. The pre-emptive strategy improves vehicle traction and composure by avoiding wheel spin. This is achieved by anticipating the amount of differential lock required for the program selected. For example, a high locking torque would be applied for rock crawl or slippery surfaces.

The reactive strategy varies the amount of locking torque in response to the actual slip level and the dynamic behaviour of the vehicle. Each Terrain Response program has a different threshold and input for the reactive strategy. The reactive strategy improves vehicle traction and composure by eliminating any wheel spin which has occurred after the pre-emptive strategy was applied. The locking response applied is applicable to the terrain program selected, for example, very sensitive on slippery surfaces to provide maximum traction and minimise surface damage.

The locking torque calculations use various signals from other subsystems, for example, engine torque, throttle position, selected gear, steering angle, vehicle speed, lateral acceleration, yaw behaviour.

Air Suspension Control
The air suspension control module contains a strategy which provides automatic switching between normal and off-road heights. Changes in vehicle height settings will be relayed to the driver via the instrument cluster message center and LED illuminated icons on the switch. The automatic selection and deselection of the vehicle height provides automatic increase and decrease in ground clearance and aims to provide maximum benefit to the selected terrain program.
On a vehicle fitted with a correctly installed, Land Rover approved trailer socket, if an electrical load is sensed on the trailer socket, height changes are prohibited and the message center displays a message advising that a trailer is connected and off-road height is not automatically selected. The driver can raise the suspension manually using the air suspension switch.

NOTE:
The prohibiting of the automatic ride height selection is only operational if a Land Rover approved trailer socket is fitted and an electrical load is sensed on the socket.

ABS Control
The ABS module controls several vehicle functions and adjusts the operating parameters of these functions to optimise the selected Terrain Response program.
Traction control uses different slip/acceleration thresholds to improve traction and vehicle composure. For example, the system sensitivity is increased on slippery surfaces to reduce wheel spin.

If DSC is switched off (with the DSC switch on the instrument panel) when using a Terrain Response special program, if the special program is subsequently changed for a different program DSC is automatically switched back on.

The stability control uses different threshold values for the selected program to automatically reduce DSC intervention, removing the requirement for the driver to disable the DSC system in order to reduce engine intervention which is sometimes induced in extreme off-road conditions. In extreme sand conditions, there may be an additional benefit of disabling the DSC function using the DSC switch on the instrument panel in addition to selecting the sand program.

HDC is automatically switched on or off and target speeds are adjusted in response to the Terrain Response program selected. The responsiveness of the HDC function is also increased where required.

Automatic operation of HDC aims to assist the driver by switching the system on or off when it is of most benefit. Target speeds for HDC operation are also adjusted according the vehicle operating conditions.
Next step is driverless:rolleyes:
 
Did also find the full workshop manual for the FFRR
Next step is driverless:rolleyes:

Lol, not far off as I see the new FFRR has auto mode where after selecting it the cameras work out what terrain ur on and adjusts accordingly , so u just have to steer seeing the system also takes over the accelerator and brake pedals , think u can adjust the speed via the cruise control up / down switch

certainly does take away alot of the fun but of course think the most challenging thing there see is a dirt track leading up to the house or the occasional snow drift, at the end of the day knowone in there right mind would take such an expensive motor anywhere near things that could scratch the paintwork

also think there’s the option of 2 WD for the discovery sports , evoques
 
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Did also find the full workshop manual for the FFRR


Lol, not far off as I see the new FFRR has auto mode where after selecting it the cameras work out what terrain ur on and adjusts accordingly , so u just have to steer seeing the system also takes over the accelerator and brake pedals , think u can adjust the speed via the cruise control up / down switch

certainly does take away alot of the fun but of course think the most challenging thing there see is a dirt track leading up to the house
OK until the cameras get covered in shyte or the electronics play up:rolleyes:
 
That’s an extremely good point mate , think the new defender says it has around 70 x modules so god knows how many the new FFRR have
The Pretender is a bit of a joke IMO, do you know it's allegedly always connected to the JLR computer they can do firmware mods on the fly? They also always know exactly where you are:rolleyes:
 
The Pretender is a bit of a joke IMO, do you know it's allegedly always connected to the JLR computer they can do firmware mods on the fly? They also always know exactly where you are:rolleyes:

That’s interesting u bring that up with regards to GPS , saw a program a little while ago where a vehicle had been involved in an accident and the manufacturer was able to pull up a history of the vehicles speed, location etc , don’t know what year the vehicle has to be in order for those details to be shown

assume many new motors are are the same with regards to updates and location
 
That’s interesting u bring that up with regards to GPS , saw a program a little while ago where a vehicle had been involved in an accident and the manufacturer was able to pull up a history of the vehicles speed, location etc , don’t know what year the vehicle has to be in order for those details to be shown

assume many new motors are are the same with regards to updates and location
There was another one recently where a suspect was shown to be at the site of the crime from the JLR movement records. Big brother is watching you:eek:
Looking at the way the prices and sales of second hand motors are going, it may be that a lot folk don't want all the extraneous electronic gizmos.
 
There was another one recently where a suspect was shown to be at the site of the crime from the JLR movement records. Big brother is watching you:eek:
Looking at the way the prices and sales of second hand motors are going, it may be that a lot folk don't want all the extraneous electronic gizmos.

Indeed and trouble is and think we’ve all seen it here where someone buys a FFRR or disco on the cheap and then tries to fix it , then realising it has a multitude electronic issues and if they can’t fix it themselves end up an infamous money pit
 
Indeed and trouble is and think we’ve all seen it here where someone buys a FFRR or disco on the cheap and then tries to fix it , then realising it has a multitude electronic issues and if they can’t fix it themselves end up an infamous money pit
Or someone pays a fair price for what they think is a decent vehicle and end up in a money pit
 
Or someone pays a fair price for what they think is a decent vehicle and end up in a money pit

oh yes indeedy, , lol, , think my old series diesel 88 was one of the biggest money pits , recon engine, clutch oh and to cap it off a new chassis , done everything myself apart from the engine rebuild ,

One of the most satisfying things was taking out the old harness , splitting it open and then making a whole new loom with the correct colours
 
oh yes indeedy, , lol, , think my old series diesel 88 was one of the biggest money pits , recon engine, clutch oh and to cap it off a new chassis , done everything myself apart from the engine rebuild ,

One of the most satisfying things was taking out the old harness , splitting it open and then making a whole new loom with the correct colours
Just hope my latest purchase isn't like that!! :eek:
 
Just hope my latest purchase isn't like that!! :eek:

Like wise , alas it’s those unfortunate things that can sometimes catch us out , but as we know is the same for many other motors

at the end of the day just think how we all got on before the days of this forum or the internet , usually the first port of call was a trip to halfords to buy a Haynes manual , then all the parts for a full service , followed by a wash and clean
 
Like wise , alas it’s those unfortunate things that can sometimes catch us out , but as we know is the same for many other motors

at the end of the day just think how we all got on before the days of this forum or the internet , usually the first port of call was a trip to halfords to buy a Haynes manual , then all the parts for a full service , followed by a wash and clean
Agree, but back then, you adjusted rockers and replaced the points, you didn't need to take the body off to change a bulb :eek:
 
Agree, but back then, you adjusted rockers and replaced the points, you didn't need to take the body off to change a bulb :eek:

Very true , often think back when I had my triumph vittesse , after lifting the bonnet could sit on a wheel whilst working on the engine with plenty of room

heard some cutting holes in the floors to gain access to the turbo instead of lifting the body off :eek:

talking of that would adore to buy a really cheap petrol V8 discovery 4 and do a total restoration chassis up
 

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