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Hello all. I have a disco 2 2002 model has just done 36000miles and 10th birthday last November. Gave it to Stratstone Burnham LR for service recently and was disappointed to find that the 'new' oil was black in colour after two days and 80miles, the oil level was approximately 1'' (cold) above the max notch on the stick and the oil filter had not been changed. According to the service sheet the rotor had been changed and seven liters of oil added. I don't dispute oil was added as on the stick it was quite clean looking but the excess oil had to be removed thro the dip stick tube with tube and syringe, about 1.5 lts was removed to get the level down to the max notch, and this was black in colour in the container. It may be that the old oil was not entirely drained which may explain the overfill. I returned to Stratstone LR with the oil sample expressing my concerns and questioned why the filter had not been changed. I was told that filter change is not required in this service and the oil colour was normal for a diesel engine and that my overfill theory 'may' be correct. I did get an apology for the inconvenience.
I am interested to know what any of you helpful and knowledgeable people think of this, should the filter have been changed, should the oil be that colour after a short while in a diesel.
Thank you in advance for any assistance in this matter, and owners beware!
PS, service was £260 and a new filter, which I have replaced now, cost me £5.
 
yes the filter should be changed aswell as the oil, as for it being over the max line this can do damage, can you not have a go at doing the oil change yourself?
 
Indeed it will go black more quickly, but if its absolutely pitch black like soot and water then thats different. I have much older 200tdi which was serviced several months ago and the oil maintains a black/gold colour, more black than gold. But even after much use over many months, it is still not completely black. Who changes oil without renewing the filter :| I alwys do! They're only a few quid!
 
I've got a 2006 TD5 and the oil does turn black but only fairly slowly. Indeed, after an oil change it takes a few weeks for it to be dark enough to see it on the dipstick properly. Maybe the black is coming from that un-changed filter cartridge. After the engine has run or when you top it up mine takes ages to drain back down fully into the sump. If you only wait a couple of minutes it is easy to overfill them. Which is probably what happened if they just got the work experience kid to do it. A slight tilt, such as with the camber of the road, makes quite a big difference to the apparent level too, more so than on other cars I'm familiar with.
 
Yep it's easy to overfill them as diesel oil tends to be have a high viscosity and takes a long time to sink down into the sump as said above - especially in colder temperatures. I wouldn't worry too much about the black colouration for now, just make sure the levels right and insist that in future you get the filter changed!
 
just check that the over filled oil was oil and not diesel going into the sump from a cracked head, or failed injector seal,
 
They should have changed the filter, an oil chane is pointless I'm my opinion without changing the filter as this is the part that keeps the oil particle free. The oil catches the dirt and carbon which if filtered out of the oil by the filter to stop dirt flowing around the engine and causing damage, the black oil will be because of the filter not being changed as the black oil that is in the filter ( about 200/300 ml) mixes with the clean oil and blackens it. £260 for a service is scandalous, should take less than an hour including all filters and checking diff oils etc.

This is why you should never take a car to a main dealer unless its covered under warranty ect,

Btw that's a blooming low mile disco :D
 
Due to the rotor filter, the cartridge element has a much longer life in TD5 engines. But it is stupid false economy not to renew it when the oil is changed, as it will blacken the new oil very quickly. When all the filters and oil are renewed, the new oil stays clean looking for a few thousand miles in my experience. Probably best to request the cartridge is renewed as an "extra" to the scheduled service.
 
Why not call another local land rover garage for a service cost breakdown for you disco? Ask them what's included in the service etc?

Just an idea
 
Thank you all very much indeed for the response, very much appreciated. Servicing will be done by me in future and it will be done properly, I used the dealer this time due to warranty purposes and I was a agrieved at having to do so. Your posts have been very interesting and very educational and I will take all on board. Thank you all once again.
 
According to the Haynes Manual, the oil filter needs changing at 36,000 miles, with oil changes at 6000 miles and renewing the oil centrifuge rotor at 12,000 miles.

Anyone got the official Land Rover service schedule, and does it say any different?
 
Tazz070299 said:
According to the Haynes Manual, the oil filter needs changing at 36,000 miles, with oil changes at 6000 miles and renewing the oil centrifuge rotor at 12,000 miles.

Anyone got the official Land Rover service schedule, and does it say any different?
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Filters cost £10 and 10 minutes is it worth not changing them ?
 
Yes, my Haynes says the same (well, I suppose it would do). But it seems a false economy not to change the filter. It's a bit like having a bath and putting your dirty clothes back on. I also have the Land Rover factory manual and that describes the service checks and activities, but doesn't tell you how often to do them for some reason. For the kind of money charged for even a minor main dealer service you could do your own oil change, change all the filters, change the oils in the transmission, give it some new brake pads, wiper blades, an EGR bypass and a fan belt and still have change left over. That's what I did and feel much better for it. And that's with famous name brands for the fluids and bits and pieces too.
 
Discorea said:
Hello all. I have a disco 2 2002 model has just done 36000miles and 10th birthday last November. Gave it to Stratstone Burnham LR for service recently and was disappointed to find that the 'new' oil was black in colour after two days and 80miles, the oil level was approximately 1'' (cold) above the max notch on the stick and the oil filter had not been changed. According to the service sheet the rotor had been changed and seven liters of oil added. I don't dispute oil was added as on the stick it was quite clean looking but the excess oil had to be removed thro the dip stick tube with tube and syringe, about 1.5 lts was removed to get the level down to the max notch, and this was black in colour in the container. It may be that the old oil was not entirely drained which may explain the overfill. I returned to Stratstone LR with the oil sample expressing my concerns and questioned why the filter had not been changed. I was told that filter change is not required in this service and the oil colour was normal for a diesel engine and that my overfill theory 'may' be correct. I did get an apology for the inconvenience.
I am interested to know what any of you helpful and knowledgeable people think of this, should the filter have been changed, should the oil be that colour after a short while in a diesel.
Thank you in advance for any assistance in this matter, and owners beware!
PS, service was £260 and a new filter, which I have replaced now, cost me £5.
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You have two oil filters

The centrifugal oil filter gets changed every service and the normal oil filter gets changed every 3rd service. It's normal to be black as the fresh detergents in the new oil cleaned the deposits left behind by the old oil, also there will be oil left in the oil cooler and oil filter housing which contaminates the new oil slightly.
 

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