Frenchdame
Well-Known Member
When it comes to crime such as thieving/smuggling there are essentially two forms of enterprise: the individual entrepreneur and the thief/smuggler who knows the product, where to find it and how to obtain it and minimise risk, and how to dispose of it. They are very much like each other except the latter is unlikely to be acting as a solo enterprise and is highly skilled and efficient in the teamwork, from beginning to end, which will successfully accomplish the task.
I do not know what the figures are for recovery of stolen Landies but I suspect they are less than ten percent. And again I have no idea of the figures, but I suspect the organised stealing and disposal of Landies accounts for the majority of thefts. So how many organised gangs do you think we might have in the UK? Are they foreigners? After all the sex-trade and certain drugs are controlled by non UK natives. Is the stolen Landie trade lucrative? Yes. Where's the market destination? What countries are likely to have less than rigid rules about the re-registering of 'imported' cars?
I refuse to believe that the police do not have some of these answers and/or can obtain more intelligence from existing files and reports yet ignore the problem because insurance companies (and ultimately the owners) suffer the consequences and increased premiums.
It's not a crime which causes public outrage (unless an MP loses one) so there is little pressure on the police to make it a target.
I do not know what the figures are for recovery of stolen Landies but I suspect they are less than ten percent. And again I have no idea of the figures, but I suspect the organised stealing and disposal of Landies accounts for the majority of thefts. So how many organised gangs do you think we might have in the UK? Are they foreigners? After all the sex-trade and certain drugs are controlled by non UK natives. Is the stolen Landie trade lucrative? Yes. Where's the market destination? What countries are likely to have less than rigid rules about the re-registering of 'imported' cars?
I refuse to believe that the police do not have some of these answers and/or can obtain more intelligence from existing files and reports yet ignore the problem because insurance companies (and ultimately the owners) suffer the consequences and increased premiums.
It's not a crime which causes public outrage (unless an MP loses one) so there is little pressure on the police to make it a target.
Are foreign criminals any worse than native ones
exmed wayne
Well-Known Member
"In 2014, 745 defenders were reported stolen with just 28.32% of these vehicles being recovered. The vast majority of the unrecovered Landrovers had reported the absence of any extra security measures"
source -
http://www.defenderdefender.co.uk/pages/about
jamesmartin
Well-Known Member
it would seem stupidity letting them inAre foreign criminals any worse than native ones
Couldn't agree more but just saying if the foreigners aren't out to get us the natives will
Of couse if landrovers weren't being sold for ridiculously overinflated prices then the problem would be a lot less.
Ian M in France
Well-Known Member
one idea I thought would be good is to check engine numbers at all MOT;S of all cars against log book, have a register of stolen car engines you would then have to register a engine change, I know you should now but a lot don't this would mean if you buy a used engine you could check mileage at last MOT and it would make it harder to sell stolen engines, I have bought 2 in the last 2 years and do not know where they came from or there history, the other thing is check engine numbers as cars leave UK , would take time but would make it harder for them to get cars out of UK
Landy thefts appear to fall into two groups. The first is where they are stolen and end up broken for parts. Obviously buying used parts from reputable suppliers and taking precautions such as not buying engines and components with no serial numbers or from dubious individuals would help knock this trade into touch.
The second is where they are stolen to be used in other offences, a favourite locally being theft of ATM’s.
To help prevent both, we need to take every precaution against theft and make it as difficult to steal our landies as possible. And when we buy one, check the chassis numbers etc...
To help prevent both, we need to take every precaution against theft and make it as difficult to steal our landies as possible. And when we buy one, check the chassis numbers etc...
Ian M in France
Well-Known Member
if you had a national register of stolen engine & chassis numbers then you could check if it is stolen, if you bought a stolen engine / chassis then you should be charged by the police of receiving stolen goods, then people would take more care to check if stolen
Muppetdaze
Active Member
If they were to check engine numbers, that would probably involve the removal of various covers etc.
Than the MOT becomes even more interesting with regards to stuff hidden underneath things
Than the MOT becomes even more interesting with regards to stuff hidden underneath things
Hippo
Lord Hippo
While tratterers are prepared to buy engines with the serial number wiped oft... theft will continue. The good thing about newer engines is some of the parts have their serial numbers logged int production so there's a second opportunity to identify said parts at a later date if the engine number is unreadable.
