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Bluestrike

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HI ALL, JUST HAD MY 2001 90 HARDTOP DEFENDER STOLEN THIS MORNING FROM TELFORD, SHROPSHIRE.

It was a standard 90 Hardtop, apart from Silver KN Predator Wheels (265/65x17 BFG AT's, 3/4 worn). Black bull bar. It also had a Marslands Galv chassis!! Epsom Green Body (Metallic). Small dents in most panels. 2007 Black Rack drivers seat. Alpine stereo MP3. 6x9 speakers mounted on Ply boards, (on the side panels) .

Any info would be great plus a cash reward if leads to the low life!!!!!

Rob 07944 403477
 
sorry to hear that mate.:mad::mad: did you have any extra security disclock/clutch claw on it an do you have any pics also i suggest you take your mobile number off as people will pm you if thay see or hear anythink

an post it on landywatch aswell the more eyes the better:D
 
Wiring your lannie up to the mains is starting to sound like a really good idea...

AC voltage won't kill, but it will give a thief a real fright! :D

People who haven't already bought one, GET A DISCLOK!
To get one off is a nightmare and noisy as hell!
 
BuzzLand said:
Wiring your lannie up to the mains is starting to sound like a really good idea...

AC voltage won't kill, but it will give a thief a real fright! :D
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:confused:

Although it may be tempting, wiring your LR to the mains is not a good idea

AC voltage can kill
 
AC will kill. Our UK system works on 240V 50hz. Your heart works on 50hz, thats why defibrilators work. Dont tell me they dont, I did have the burn marks after my shot. Like Storm wisely suggested, if you stick a fork into the AC socket, nighty night to you.
 
Its the amperage not the volatage that kills you.

only 200milliamps will kill you!

So it makes no odds if its AC or DC, you dont wana be sticking you tounge on a car battery or a fork in a socket!!
 
bluesticky1 said:
Bloke I knew got killed by a broken power cord from a household plug socket. AC does kill.
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I can tell you from my own electrical work that you get a shock off AC and unless you have it directly across your heart it's VERY unlikely to kill.
I've been on boat's at sea and had a real jolt off a power-switch, no harm done apart from a numb hand for a minute or two (I was wearing a wetsuit as well that was SOAKING wet). That was DC and the ships engine was running UNDER LOAD!

One of the reason's AC is used in power-lines is it requires a lot less insulation compared to running DC voltages. Also when Nikolai Tesla and T. Edison were fighting it out in the early 1900s Tesla thankfully won the contest to lay AC power-lines instead of DC ones.
The reason was it's safer, because AC power has fck all Amps compared to DC and can be transmitted over longer distances as 10,000+ volts and require's less insulation.

An AC electrified hull on a vehicle is VERY unlikely to kill, and if someone was killed off household electric then he was incredibly unlucky and I suspect there was a hefty whack of Amperage (load) in the circuit.
AC main's power-cable with NO load is very, very unlikely to cause cardiac arrest in someone. Especially wearing footware.
This is why the military use it for electrified fences, if the greenpeace brigade throw themselve's at it they get a shock and that's it.

I've had shocks off AC mains power when rewiring my mate's house and it was nothing spectacular, it zap's your hand or limb but as it cycles (being alternating current) your hand doesn't give it the 'grip of death' unless it's thousand's of volts.
So I tell you again folks. Voltage is not the killer. Amps is and the 200 mA rating is true, EXCEPT IT'S DIRECTLY ACROSS YOUR HEART, not at entry points (limbs etc) which would require a lot more than 200 mA. ;)

Here endeth the lesson...
 
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BuzzLand said:
I can tell you from my own electrical work that you get a shock off AC and unless you have it directly across your heart it's VERY unlikely to kill.
I've been on boat's at sea and had a real jolt off a power-switch, no harm done apart from a numb hand for a minute or two (I was wearing a wetsuit as well that was SOAKING wet). That was DC and the ships engine was running UNDER LOAD!

One of the reason's AC is used in power-lines is it requires a lot less insulation compared to running DC voltages. Also when Nikolai Tesla and T. Edison were fighting it out in the early 1900s Tesla thankfully won the contest to lay AC power-lines instead of DC ones.
The reason was it's safer, because AC power has fck all Amps compared to DC and can be transmitted over longer distances as 10,000+ volts and require's less insulation.

An AC electrified hull on a vehicle is VERY unlikely to kill, and if someone was killed off household electric then he was incredibly unlucky and I suspect there was a hefty whack of Amperage (load) in the circuit.
AC main's power-cable with NO load is very, very unlikely to cause cardiac arrest in someone. Especially wearing footware.
This is why the military use it for electrified fences, if the greenpeace brigade throw themselve's at it they get a shock and that's it.

I've had shocks off AC mains power when rewiring my mate's house and it was nothing spectacular, it zap's your hand or limb but as it cycles (being alternating current) your hand doesn't give it the 'grip of death' unless it's thousand's of volts.
So I tell you again folks. Voltage is not the killer. Amps is and the 200 mA rating is true, EXCEPT IT'S DIRECTLY ACROSS YOUR HEART, not at entry points (limbs etc) which would require a lot more than 200 mA. ;)

Here endeth the lesson...
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I agree, otherwise Vagrent's monkey would be dead ages ago.;)
 
It seems then that I will be safe to plug the wifes hairdryer in and get her to use it in the shower :D ... only cos household current won't kill her!
 
Any one of you fancy grabbing the bus bars on my megawatt generators? There ac and will kill you, for safetys sake don't put stupid information like that on a public forum
 
He picked up lawn mower cable that had been cut. Perhaps his widow and daughter feel "unlucky" too. Still best to be safe around electricity. If I'm doing any wiring I always switch it off at the fuse box (or disconnect batteries etc) - I don't want to try my luck.
 
BuzzLand said:
I can tell you from my own electrical work that you get a shock off AC and unless you have it directly across your heart it's VERY unlikely to kill.
I've been on boat's at sea and had a real jolt off a power-switch, no harm done apart from a numb hand for a minute or two (I was wearing a wetsuit as well that was SOAKING wet). That was DC and the ships engine was running UNDER LOAD!

One of the reason's AC is used in power-lines is it requires a lot less insulation compared to running DC voltages. Also when Nikolai Tesla and T. Edison were fighting it out in the early 1900s Tesla thankfully won the contest to lay AC power-lines instead of DC ones.
The reason was it's safer, because AC power has fck all Amps compared to DC and can be transmitted over longer distances as 10,000+ volts and require's less insulation.

An AC electrified hull on a vehicle is VERY unlikely to kill, and if someone was killed off household electric then he was incredibly unlucky and I suspect there was a hefty whack of Amperage (load) in the circuit.
AC main's power-cable with NO load is very, very unlikely to cause cardiac arrest in someone. Especially wearing footware.
This is why the military use it for electrified fences, if the greenpeace brigade throw themselve's at it they get a shock and that's it.

I've had shocks off AC mains power when rewiring my mate's house and it was nothing spectacular, it zap's your hand or limb but as it cycles (being alternating current) your hand doesn't give it the 'grip of death' unless it's thousand's of volts.
So I tell you again folks. Voltage is not the killer. Amps is and the 200 mA rating is true, EXCEPT IT'S DIRECTLY ACROSS YOUR HEART, not at entry points (limbs etc) which would require a lot more than 200 mA. ;)

Here endeth the lesson...
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When you receive an electric shock, you are the load in the circuit. The current flow will depend on several factors, including your level of hydration at the time. It's stupid to assume that such a shock can't kill you, and even more ridiculous to give such advice on a public forum.

You talk about AC having less amperage: "fck all Amps compared to DC and can be transmitted over longer distances as 10,000+ volts and require's less insulation". It's transmitted over large distances, using a step up transformer which massively increases the voltage across the Tx lines whilst reducing current. This reduces resistance across the lines, thereby reducing inherent power losses through heat which would be generated otherwise. This voltage is stepped down however before it is used in our homes, and the max current available is far greater, and certainly enough to kill.
 
DiscoLew said:
When you receive an electric shock, you are the load in the circuit. The current flow will depend on several factors, including your level of hydration at the time. It's stupid to assume that such a shock can't kill you, and even more ridiculous to give such advice on a public forum.

You talk about AC having less amperage: "fck all Amps compared to DC and can be transmitted over longer distances as 10,000+ volts and require's less insulation". It's transmitted over large distances, using a step up transformer which massively increases the voltage across the Tx lines whilst reducing current. This reduces resistance across the lines, thereby reducing inherent power losses through heat which would be generated otherwise. This voltage is stepped down however before it is used in our homes, and the max current available is far greater, and certainly enough to kill.
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Yes but the point is that because it's AC voltage, once it's stepped down there's even less 'max current'
Having working on enough household electrics jobs when DIYing to say the following.
The worst I've ever had is a jolt here and there off mains voltage I can tell you a shocked hand and wrist is nothing to write home about.

Stop scaremongering and listen instead of towing the tired exaggeration monkeys. :)
 
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