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richijones

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HI
Now I know that the importance of not putting tyres that are larger circumference (newer) on the front, this has been done to death, but I would imagine that many of the spare wheels on the back of our Freelanders have new tread and have never been used (how many bother to rotate them)
So what happens when you get a flat, if its on the rear then you could just put the spare on ? There would be some difference in circumference on each wheel but the diff would sort that out so the rear rotational wheel speed would be slower than the front but would the diff cope with this for any length of time?.
What if you put the spare on the front, and then say the left would rotate slower than the right, would the front diff cope with this?
So what would be the best thing to do if you have a flat, is the spare useless?
I am planning on a new tyre soon, so I will put the new spare on the rear with a new one to match, and put the ones that are now on the rear on the front and then keep one of the old fronts as a spare.
Cheers
 
Yet another reason why gaylanders are **** then :rolleyes: a real landrover with a proper diff copes just fine on a spare with like new tread or odd levels
 
richijones said:
HI
Now I know that the importance of not putting tyres that are larger circumference (newer) on the front, this has been done to death, but I would imagine that many of the spare wheels on the back of our Freelanders have new tread and have never been used (how many bother to rotate them)
So what happens when you get a flat, if its on the rear then you could just put the spare on ? There would be some difference in circumference on each wheel but the diff would sort that out so the rear rotational wheel speed would be slower than the front but would the diff cope with this for any length of time?.
What if you put the spare on the front, and then say the left would rotate slower than the right, would the front diff cope with this?
So what would be the best thing to do if you have a flat, is the spare useless?
I am planning on a new tyre soon, so I will put the new spare on the rear with a new one to match, and put the ones that are now on the rear on the front and then keep one of the old fronts as a spare.
Cheers
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it would cope ok for many miles, presumably it wouldnt be months before replaements were acquired
 
Yep, just fit the spare to get you to a tyre centre then put it back as spare - is my plan

I have 4x Scorpions and a Wrangler as spare btw.
 
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Dr_evil said:
I was kinda on about the IRD that likes to fail ;)

And it's a piddly looking little diff compared to the others :p

Landrover Specialists Simmonites Differential
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It is suitable for what the vehicle was designed for which is light to moderate off roading and difficult road conditions, only you tratterers seem to have a problem with that. But whatever makes your wang feel heavier. Least mine has an engine wot works :p.

OP, "who rotates the spare" - I do, and so does everyone who is a sensible Freelander owner. It's 20 mins with a jack and a wrench ever 3-5k miles, that's not all that much to ask is it ;).
 
WLJayne said:
OP, "who rotates the spare" - I do, and so does everyone who is a sensible Freelander owner. It's 20 mins with a jack and a wrench ever 3-5k miles, that's not all that much to ask is it ;).
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Thanks for all the quick replys.

So if you have 5 new good tyres what is the best order to rotate?
 
WLJayne said:
It is suitable for what the vehicle was designed for which is light to moderate off roading and difficult road conditions, only you tratterers seem to have a problem with that. But whatever makes your wang feel heavier. Least mine has an engine wot works :p.

OP, "who rotates the spare" - I do, and so does everyone who is a sensible Freelander owner. It's 20 mins with a jack and a wrench ever 3-5k miles, that's not all that much to ask is it ;).
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Spot on Will ;) the difference between the Freelander and tratter is so huge it's pointless comparing the 2!! Except on the road where the Freelander is miles better ;)
Rotate is the way to go ;)
 
richijones said:
Thanks for all the quick replys.

So if you have 5 new good tyres what is the best order to rotate?
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Simple, just move each wheel one hub to the right or left (remember which way you go!) So when I rotate mine this is the sequence I do it in:

RHF to RHB
RHB to Spare
Spare to LHB
LHB to LHF
LHF to RHF

Having an impact gun to undo the nuts makes this a cinch. Just don't go mad with it when you put the nuts back on - go to the first hammer and no more (unlike a ####ing KwikFit ****monkey would) then go up to torque with a torque wrench. Safe as houses :).
 
If the unused spare is a Michelin Synchrone, as most originals were, then you can't buy new as they are no longer in production. There are occasionally some on eBay but prices are often close to £100 with carriage charges and then you have to get them fitted. My spare was unused and I looked at the eBay route but decided to go for a pair of Roadstone tyres instead, at a total cost of £160 fitted for the pair I thought this was my best option as I didn't fancy fitting a tyre that was at least 7 years old and possibly considerably older. My fronts are also showing signs of sidewall cracking even though the tread depth is 5mm and 7 years old, I will be changing them before the next MOT in about 10 months time and going for Roadstones again.
 
dougjoy said:
I thought this problem was fixed around 2001/2 models when the rear diff ratio was changed?
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The advice of the recon VCU suppliers is that this problem exists even after the ratio change, some would say that this opinion helps to sell their products but personally I chose to believe them and changed my VCU, only fit new tyres to the rear and keep the same tread depth across axles (I know Freelanders don't have axles but easiest way to illustrate).
 
The difference in ratio was reduced, but not done away with entirely. Otherwise the Hipo would feel like a Rav4 to drive, so I'm told. Never driven one so can't really comment.
 
Sorry guys but I dont get this rotating using the spare, you would have to buy two new tyres should anything unrepairable happen to one of them - why not just keep the spare new (if it is new) then you only have to buy one and have a used spare :confused:
 
Brack said:
Sorry guys but I dont get this rotating using the spare, you would have to buy two new tyres should anything unrepairable happen to one of them - why not just keep the spare new (if it is new) then you only have to buy one and have a used spare :confused:
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that makes perfect sense
 
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