IamRobbie said:
i agree. my megane is 30 a year and the mrs does hundreds of miles a week. my 90 didn't do 400 miles this year but I pay through the nose... scrap the road tax and dare I say it add it onto fuel....
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That used to be my thoughts too but since these 'low' emissions, high mpg vehs came on the scene , I have changed my thought to tax the actual emissions. Otherwise 'low' emission, high mpg, high mileage pa vehs get away with it again. Friends Megane did 67mpg on a run last week, still pumping out emissions for each mile though!
 
Emissions aside I see it as you drive the roads that need maintenance. The more you drive the more fuel you'll have to pay out for. Of course someone in a landy will pay more than someone in a newer high low mag car but I reckon a penny per litre would still bring them a lot of money in, unless they rely of people like myself who have two or three cars sat there fully insured sat taxed and tested like a tit year after year. You'll still pay more tax on your heavier cars because you'd use more fuel
 
+1 add it to fuel while the price is historically low,

interested to know what the real costs of maintaining ved are and actual revenue received.

scrap it and add the net revenue to fuel not the gross
 
Not sure how I would like the effect on on-road veg oil use if road tax was added to fuel duty.

I hear we are headed for a big fine from the EU for missing the carbon reduction agreement. So they're passing the fine on to the road users who had nothing to do with the agreement. ****ers.

I think road tax should have nothing to do with emissions generated, per mile or otherwise. Emissions are an issue but the government (local or EU) shouldn't get a financial benefit for the effect us on the ground have on the environment. Road tax should pay for resurfacing the roads (with tarmac not bloody stone chips!) and maintaining traffic lights and nothing more.

Watched a good documentary by Adam Curtis on iPlayer called HyperNormalisation all about them s***s in government.
 
I think, that, pre the 2001 emissions measuring carp, the current flat rate will still apply.... maybe....
 
Colonial said:
Dump the V.E.L and put the tax on fuel. That way those who use their cars and the road system most pay.
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On any economic and common sense level, they would have done that years ago. But the govt. never pass up on an opportunity to make people fill in forms, and give information.
Big Brother likes watching you! :D
 
Colonial said:
Dump the V.E.L and put the tax on fuel. That way those who use their cars and the road system most pay.
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That would never work. Think about how it would adversely affect all those who are currently avoiding paying their V.E.L. since they no longer have to display a Guiness bottle label.
There would be huge protests in Whitehall, governments would fall, anarchy would rule, we'd all be doomed I tell you, doomed!
 
brian47 said:
That would never work. Think about how it would adversely affect all those who are currently avoiding paying their V.E.L. since they no longer have to display a Guiness bottle label.
There would be huge protests in Whitehall, governments would fall, anarchy would rule, we'd all be doomed I tell you, doomed!
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Don't panic! Two car owners might benefit. Most of the extremely wealthy own several. My point being that I have a petrol 3 litre V6 which does about 30 miles per week and a TDI 4 which usually does several hundred per week. The petrol engine cost's £500.00 per annum to tax, though it's sitting on the drive most of the time, whilst the diesel cost's £250.00 per annum. I'd be happy to pay an additional and relatively costed increase on fuel to offset the VEL. Businesses would need to negotiate a specific rate for their fuel costs, most agricultural users already have access to red diesel so needn't be affected. There would also be a massive saving for the DVLA in negating the need to collect and enforce the duty.
 
The link between VED and road repairs was abolished in 1937. This is not a fund for road repairs, it is purely a tax on vehicle ownership.

Those of us that do high mileage in thirsty Land Rovers already pay a massive amount of fuel tax PLUS the VED. If it all went on fuel, we'd pay even more tax. Meanwhile, those that hardly use their cars are free to park them on the road, year round, for virtually nothing.

In addition, those that live in rural areas and have no choice but to travel further for just about everything, would wind up paying even more tax.

Independent garages, already crippled by the costs of unpaid tax collection (they have find the money to pay for the fuel and the tax in advance and if the fuel is lost in a drive off, they still have to pay the tax) will have yet more financial burden and even more would simply give up.

"Putting it all on fuel" isn't the simple answer it sounds.
 
Colonial said:
Don't panic! Two car owners might benefit. Most of the extremely wealthy own several. My point being that I have a petrol 3 litre V6 which does about 30 miles per week and a TDI 4 which usually does several hundred per week. The petrol engine cost's £500.00 per annum to tax, though it's sitting on the drive most of the time, whilst the diesel cost's £250.00 per annum. I'd be happy to pay an additional and relatively costed increase on fuel to offset the VEL. Businesses would need to negotiate a specific rate for their fuel costs, most agricultural users already have access to red diesel so needn't be affected. There would also be a massive saving for the DVLA in negating the need to collect and enforce the duty.
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Don't u mean two car 'owner' I own three, but I'm not "extremely wealthy" one car is exempt so I pay tax on the other two, I also pay the tax for my wife's car :(
So all part of the cost of living for the individual that makes such choices, is it not. Much the same on the type of property they own and the taxes that can incur.

Pay the taxes due and get on with life :D
 
Colonial said:
Don't panic! Two car owners might benefit. Most of the extremely wealthy own several. My point being that I have a petrol 3 litre V6 which does about 30 miles per week and a TDI 4 which usually does several hundred per week. The petrol engine cost's £500.00 per annum to tax, though it's sitting on the drive most of the time, whilst the diesel cost's £250.00 per annum. I'd be happy to pay an additional and relatively costed increase on fuel to offset the VEL. Businesses would need to negotiate a specific rate for their fuel costs, most agricultural users already have access to red diesel so needn't be affected. There would also be a massive saving for the DVLA in negating the need to collect and enforce the duty.
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It wouldn't save the government a penny........anything "saved" would be payed outin dole etc to the out of work DVLA employees........and as for putting VED onto fuel and scrapping the annual tax ,how long do you think that would last before a greedy government reinstated anual tax ?
 
Moron said:
It wouldn't save the government a penny........anything "saved" would be payed outin dole etc to the out of work DVLA employees........and as for putting VED onto fuel and scrapping the annual tax ,how long do you think that would last before a greedy government reinstated anual tax and "forgot" to remove the VED component of tax from the cost of fuel again?
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There, that's more like it.
 
discool said:
Don't u mean two car 'owner' I own three, but I'm not "extremely wealthy" one car is exempt so I pay tax on the other two, I also pay the tax for my wife's car :(
So all part of the cost of living for the individual that makes such choices, is it not. Much the same on the type of property they own and the taxes that can incur.

Pay the taxes due and get on with life :D
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Moron said:
It wouldn't save the government a penny........anything "saved" would be payed outin dole etc to the out of work DVLA employees........and as for putting VED onto fuel and scrapping the annual tax ,how long do you think that would last before a greedy government reinstated anual tax ?
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Tigger Eeyore & Roo said:
The link between VED and road repairs was abolished in 1937. This is not a fund for road repairs, it is purely a tax on vehicle ownership.
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Sorry if this reply appears disjointed. I don't disagree with any of you. As car enthusiasts we each have our own opinions. Therein lie's the question. How do you get one politician to remedy the VEL issue? We have all expressed our own points of view and all are valid. Status Quo?
 
Colonial said:
Sorry if this reply appears disjointed. I don't disagree with any of you. As car enthusiasts we each have our own opinions. Therein lie's the question. How do you get one politician to remedy the VEL issue? We have all expressed our own points of view and all are valid. Status Quo?
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we take a lesson from the French........something we as a country should have done years ago , we import guiliteens ( spellcheck please ) :mad:
 
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