Thanks I will go and have another look, is that a relay in with the fuses or behind the fuse box and out of sight? I've found 3 relays in there it seems to have a r/h indicator relay, a l/h indicator relay and a larger one which also does not effect the wiper if its removed. I found the fuse and that's ok. Maybe they changed things during the production? I have a 1999 car with the problem and I have a good 2000 model I can check against