Skinny Mike
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Not really. Patience and lots of it with a flat blade screw driver and a pair of long nose pliers.
If your hands are shaking, take a break, and come back later.
Sending good vibes
Mike
If your hands are shaking, take a break, and come back later.
Sending good vibes
Mike
Skinny Mike
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Dunno, if that's any help.
Mike
teddywood1
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I am away from home but I know there is actually i small tool to hold the round plate and then you just hold the back of the pin put on and twist job done I will post pict when I get home Monday /Tuesday
I've had four guys trying to fit the pins, no joy. I can't move it because of the brakes, seriously considering a SORN and sell the parts from my drive.Not really. Patience and lots of it with a flat blade screw driver and a pair of long nose pliers.
If your hands are shaking, take a break, and come back later.
Sending good vibes
Mike
You will be the guy with three hands then, lol
guineafowl21
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Are they the type that twist to lock in place or just a tab that you fit the spring under?
For the first type, hold the pin from behind and slip a pair of pliers over the other end. Use the nose of the pliers to squeeze the spring, then close the jaws and twist the pin into place.
Second type, hold the pin as before and work the spring under the tab at a slight angle. Use a big flat screwdriver to simultaneously compress the spring and direct it fully under the tab by hammering it with the flat of your hand.
Are you sure the pins and shoes are seated correctly? Are they the right type? I’ve had some struggles with shoe retainers but never what you’re experiencing.
For the first type, hold the pin from behind and slip a pair of pliers over the other end. Use the nose of the pliers to squeeze the spring, then close the jaws and twist the pin into place.
Second type, hold the pin as before and work the spring under the tab at a slight angle. Use a big flat screwdriver to simultaneously compress the spring and direct it fully under the tab by hammering it with the flat of your hand.
Are you sure the pins and shoes are seated correctly? Are they the right type? I’ve had some struggles with shoe retainers but never what you’re experiencing.
Landrover shoes, Landrover pins and spring clips. To be honest, these pins and clips will never fit, the head of the pin is slightly lower than the facing. I have just watched a guy on Utube with the same problem and he used bolts, nuts, and loctite, as long as there is movement on the shoes it will be ok. His set up looked as if it would last a lot longer than the Landrover crap!
Nodge68
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The pin is the mushroom top type. The spring clips simply slide underneath the head. Here's mine I replaced when servicing the rear brakes for the MOT last September.
They use springs for a reason. It's not an LR assembly, it's supplied by Girling or maybe it's Lucas
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Exactly same as mine, but with the pins and clips fitted! I can assure you that the spring clips do not simply slide underneath the head.The pin is the mushroom top type. The spring clips simply slide underneath the head. Here's mine I replaced when servicing the rear brakes for the MOT last September. View attachment 145271
They use springs for a reason. It's not an LR assembly, it's supplied by Girling IIRC.
guineafowl21
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Yes, same as the ones on mine.The pin is the mushroom top type. The spring clips simply slide underneath the head. Here's mine I replaced when servicing the rear brakes for the MOT last September. View attachment 145271
They use springs for a reason. It's not an LR assembly, it's supplied by Girling or maybe it's Lucas
@Old diver I can’t recommend nuts and bolts, but I have seen it done. What if your shoes jam on? What if they come loose?
A few possibilities, not knowing your experience level:
1. Are the pins in the correct holes? Backplates often have extra holes to confuse you.
2. Is there rust stopping the pins from seating? Are the backplates bent?
3. Are the shoes seated on the backplate bosses? Are they the correct ones?
4. Do the pins match the old ones? I think FL brakes were re-jigged around 2001. You might have been given the wrong bits.
As for the Girling / Lucas comment, if it is sold to me by a guy in a Landrover shirt at a genuine Landrover dealership, it is a Landrover part.The pin is the mushroom top type. The spring clips simply slide underneath the head. Here's mine I replaced when servicing the rear brakes for the MOT last September. View attachment 145271
They use springs for a reason. It's not an LR assembly, it's supplied by Girling or maybe it's Lucas
Thanks for your reply mate. The pins are the same length as the ones I took off, they just don't stand proud enough in the new shoes to get the clips on. I am stripping it down and taking the bits back to Land Rover. Ps Had a car mechanic have a go this morning, no joy. Over the years I have done just about every job on various vehicles, so I know my way around vehicles.
2006 TD4, definitely the right shoes. I rate changing the rear brake shoes as a two/three hour job, it's been on an axle stand three days now. Going SORN tomorrow, save on road tax and insurance, then it will be bodge and flog. Going back to Honda. Pity as the car has never let me down, it's just that every mini job ends up a bleeding expensive marathon.
guineafowl21
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Going back to Jap cars to avoid expensive marathons?! Good God.
Some of the parts you have bought don’t fit. Either the pins are too short, or the shoes are wrong - it’s no good telling us the pins match AND the shoes are definitely right. Your experience tells us one of those is incorrect.
Sleep on it, compare pins again and check the shoes match the old ones - carefully. It’ll be something simple and silly.
Checked new pins with a micrometer, exactly same length and diameter as the old ones. Compared the shoes with the old ones, apart from the wear, they are the same, checked the part Nos. they are right. The back of the pin holes rubbed down to bare metal and greased. Back plate is not bent or out of line, totally stumped?
guineafowl21
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Offer up the old shoes and old pins, so you’re back to the start where everything fitted. Swap in the new shoes. Swap back and try the new pins and old shoes. You WILL find the problem doing this. If you give up, it’ll bug you forever - it’s bugging me, anyway.
