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David Pye

Active Member

• Feb 16, 2013

• #21

That aligns with my thouhgts, thanks for the info nathan5346

I have a non-flashable ECU, and am happy I can replace the chip without too much grief, but would need some maps to play with!

Would be able to program the chip on the bench, but would want to know whether I could do it via the ECU as having to keep removing the chip would limit experimentation ;-)


David

 

nathan5346

Well-Known Member

• Feb 16, 2013

• #22

David Pye said:

That aligns with my thouhgts, thanks for the info nathan5346

I have a non-flashable ECU, and am happy I can replace the chip without too much grief, but would need some maps to play with!

Would be able to program the chip on the bench, but would want to know whether I could do it via the ECU as having to keep removing the chip would limit experimentation ;-)


David

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Nanocom can remap, Whats invloved with replacing the non flash chip with a flashable chip? cost/labour wise ect

 

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David Pye

Active Member

• Feb 16, 2013

• #23

I suspect there's a bit more to it than just that.

The new chip will need to be programmed otherwise the Ecu would be just dead.

Whether you can just program it with the contents of the old chip I don't know myself...

 

nathan5346

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• Feb 16, 2013

• #24

Could the new chip not be programmed with nanocom or similar

 

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• Feb 16, 2013

• #25

Generally map flashing tools are different to diagnostic tools

 

nathan5346

Well-Known Member

• Feb 16, 2013

• #26

Maybe so but nanocom can remap and reprogram injectors ect

 

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David Pye

Active Member

• Feb 16, 2013

• #27

The chip holds more than just the map. Without some valid contents, I doubt very much it would be possible to talk to it without nano com.

 

thebiglad

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• Feb 16, 2013

• #28

nathan5346 said:

td5 map suite

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Thanks for that Nate, very interesting.

Cheers
Dave

 

nathan5346

Well-Known Member

• Feb 16, 2013

• #29

thebiglad said:

Thanks for that Nate, very interesting.

Cheers
Dave

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I thought that till i found ive got a non programmable ecu lol

 

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David Pye

Active Member

• Feb 16, 2013

• #30

Recovering a bricked NNN ecu - Australian Land Rover Owners

DeBricking the NNN - an easier way? - Australian Land Rover Owners

are both relevant to this thread

 

nathan5346

Well-Known Member

• Feb 16, 2013

• #31

Thats above my head but feel free to dig further

 

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jaysjetski

New Member

• Feb 19, 2013

• #32

As to the chips, they are for sale on eBay.

Land Rover Discovery 1998-2001 TD5 SPORT Remap Chip, for MSBxxxxxx Rover MEMS ECU
SPORT Remapped Engine Management Chip for Rover MEMS - MSB101xxx Discovery ECU
£69.99 (Usually £139.99 with fitting)

Package includes:
BlauPause SPORT Remapped Engine Management Software on a 27C1024 (PLCC44) EPROM MicroChip
Fitting Instructions
PLEASE NOTE - CURRENTLY THE PACKAGE DOES NOT INCLUDE DVD DISC

If you wish to purchase this item, please sight your ECU and send us the MSBxxxxxx number printed on your ECU Sticker.
We can then send you the correct software version for your TD5!
Chip fitment should only be attempted by Competent / Skilled Persons in Electronics
SMC Rework soldering eqipment is required to fit this Item. (Available in our Ebay store)


Please do not attempt to install this product yourself if you have no experience in SMC Rework soldering.
We offer an In-House fitment service if required
If the unfortunate occurs, and you manage to damage your ecu attempting to fit this item, please contact us for support
We offer a Repair service.
Please contact Support@blaupause.co.uk for any information regarding this product
(+44) 0121 288 5844 / (+44) 0121 288 0126 / (+44) 7535 115 115 / (+44) 7956 116 116.


David I know you can do the fitting with ur soldiering work

 

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David Pye

Active Member

• Feb 20, 2013

• #33

Hi Jay,

Yeah, probably could do it from a technical perspective.

But I'm still not entirely sure what these guys are providing, as it doesn't look like it will do what I wanted!

They say:

The chip fitted at factory in the MSB type ecu is a ROM (EPROM) being READ ONLY MEMORY, the coding inside it cannot be adjusted once it has been wrote, it is also known as (OTP) One Time Program, meaning once it has been programmed, it cannot be erased or re-programmed. The chip we supply is an identical replacement to this chip, we buy them in as Blank chips, and custom program them

(excusing their grammar 'once it has been wrote'...)

So, you just get a new EPROM with a different map in, with no option to reprogram it again, without opening the ECU, removing the chip, and replacing another.

So their solution won't allow you to upload new maps once the mod is done.

I might ask Gary at TD5alive whether his solution can be readjusted without opening the ECU and replacing the chip, or not.

 

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David Pye

Active Member

• Feb 20, 2013

• #34

From Chipped Td5 - Page 2 - 4x4 Community Forum


No, these ECU's won't become reprogrammable via OBD even after chip replacement,

See, I'm quite happy soldering the chips, but the issue would be getting hold of mapped chips. I suspect the map-companies wouldn't be keen on selling me programmed chips, as if you wanted there's nothing to stop you reading the map off them, and programming up new chips...!