tonywoodworks
Member
I'm a great believer in chain gangs. I think it would deter some of the more petty criminals. Unfortunately. There is too much money to be made in crime compared to the lenient punishments to put off these scum
I'm a great believer in chain gangs. I think it would deter some of the more petty criminals. Unfortunately. There is too much money to be made in crime compared to the lenient punishments to put off these scum
Enuff
Well-Known Member
If criminals were captured and punished properly, then there would be a deterrent..
Crime would fall..
Workload would ease on the whole system..
Less hours / jobs / prisons / insurance claims / less spending
Less money..
Less taxation on that money ..
Less money for the government to waste on the EU, India's space programming, houses for ducks and pork dinners etc etc
Therefor, crime makes more money for the system than victims are worth...
Is this not right ???
Crime would fall..
Workload would ease on the whole system..
Less hours / jobs / prisons / insurance claims / less spending
Less money..
Less taxation on that money ..
Less money for the government to waste on the EU, India's space programming, houses for ducks and pork dinners etc etc
Therefor, crime makes more money for the system than victims are worth...
Is this not right ???
ER1C
Well-Known Member
Its society which is to blame... and whilst society is as it is the chances of getting caught are so low its worth the risk.
I don't think you could ever throw enough police at it so the solution is to change the reasons behind it.
I have mentioned this before and got flamed but when folk are buying second hand parts with ZERO history they need to think where they come from. But alas its always "well a new one is 120 quid this one is 20".
and yes.. before YOU comment, there will be cases where someone is just selling their landrover in parts, but many more wont be, especially when the same chap sells VIN plates blank.
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shaggydefender
Active Member
i try and avoid as much stuff as i can with metallic paint , if i do buy , i buy very carefully as last thing i want is my landy confiscated for having nicked parts on it
shaggydefender
Active Member
best way of keeping it safe is if thives cant find it to begin with , other than that block it in
lightning
Well-Known Member
Our 90 TD5 was stolen from the missus's place of work a while ago.
The scum got about 300 yards before the alarm went off.....a ship's foghorn hidden in the cab.
At the same time he must have braked as the other part of the security system caused the brakes to lock on. The knobber tried to sue me as he claimed his hearing never fully recovered.
The Police sent a guy to inspect the Land Rover but he said there "was no evidence of an excessively loud alarm" and if there was one it must be "very well hidden"
The Rozzer was struggling to keep a straight face when l told him what happened.
The scum got about 300 yards before the alarm went off.....a ship's foghorn hidden in the cab.
At the same time he must have braked as the other part of the security system caused the brakes to lock on. The knobber tried to sue me as he claimed his hearing never fully recovered.
The Police sent a guy to inspect the Land Rover but he said there "was no evidence of an excessively loud alarm" and if there was one it must be "very well hidden"
The Rozzer was struggling to keep a straight face when l told him what happened.
lightning
Well-Known Member
This was after it was previously stolen from the same place a year earlier.
That time it was chased and recovered due to the tracking device, which is of a type that cannot be blocked by the "GPS blockers" you can buy online.
Two To$$ers legged it when the ignition was remotely disabled. One was caught on the motorway embankment the other ran across the motorway and got hit by a van, breaking both legs and other injuries.
Fortunately the van was undamaged. Both knobheads were bailed, one disappeared "fled the country" l was told.
The other got a suspended sentence but spent two months in hospital.
That time it was chased and recovered due to the tracking device, which is of a type that cannot be blocked by the "GPS blockers" you can buy online.
Two To$$ers legged it when the ignition was remotely disabled. One was caught on the motorway embankment the other ran across the motorway and got hit by a van, breaking both legs and other injuries.
Fortunately the van was undamaged. Both knobheads were bailed, one disappeared "fled the country" l was told.
The other got a suspended sentence but spent two months in hospital.
RogueTrooper
Well-Known Member
On the OP, I received my first update in nearly 3 months (at least) from the old bill the other day on the theft of my 90 back in January, and that was despite me calling for an update - didn't even get an acknowledgement of that at the time. Anyway, detective did apologise when he rang the other day as they're supposed to get back to you within 30 days. End result, it takes a while for the DNA on the recovered tools to be processed and each request has to be put forward (according to him) with a suspect's name to see if there's a match. No match, start again.
He reiterated that in their opinion it was an organised theft and still an ongoing investigation due to 4 being stolen across Tyne and Wear, County Durham and Northumberland in a short space of time along with mine. No-one's been caught or charged yet but in his words they're still 'actively looking.' I was 'lucky' and got mine back (bit of a mess but hey ho) but there are lessons to be learned:
Police informed me when I asked them on the morning of the theft about cctv, that they do NOT track the vehicle on cctv. They will use the ANPR system and if your vehicle doesn't ping a traffic camera or ANPR you're stuffed. Even if it does, when they go to cctv in the area near the ANPR cam it's pinged and don't see the vehicle they won't do any more as (again so I was told) how would they know which of the multiple directions and cameras to start tracking from (seems to work for other things, thinks I, but that's besides the point).
They'll get into any older Landy in multiple ways so any and every device that slows down the amount of time it takes for them to get it rolling and/or get it started may just end up making it too much trouble for them.
Your local Community Police officer can give you free advice and links to a range of security devices and how to fit them, and cams to install, including motion detector trail cams, audio devices that alert the thief they're on cam, remote links to your mobile or pc that also trigger an alarm and trackers that will allow you to then follow the vehicle's movements. Even ground locks for the wheels (just use by themselves though and you might wake up to a wheel sitting forlornly in the driveway!).
Recovery of anything the thief might have handled is no guarantee they'll be caught and if they are, unless you've got a clear print, it's a slow process to match thief to evidence so mark your stuff, anything and everything, engine, seats, bolt on extras, the works so that if it's recovered in someone else's vehicle or house then the plod have cause to pursue them.
And no, the old bill DON'T come running when you call to tell them your precious tratter's been nicked. I rang about 2 hours after mine was nicked (worked out when between the time the other half left for work and I looked out the window at the rear of the house where you could see the 90...gone) and they said they'd send someone round the NEXT DAY. Gotta be kdding says I, they can't be far. After some persistence they eventually agreed to send someone round that afternoon, not exactly top of the list when it comes to crime busting (and I don't live in a city and the streets aren't exactly awash with muggers, terrorists or escaped lunatics). Lackadaisical statement taken with the repeated assurance that "I'd probably never see it again" which was pretty distressing as I had a large amount of stuff in the back, a lot of it of sentimental as well as monetary value.
Once they realised that it was one of several stolen I was told that a detective was now in charge and would be in touch meanwhile a statement would be taken. Hang on, I've already done that thinks I, but this time there was a lot more detail and a more 'conscientious' on the ball attitude so if you're aware of more LR thefts in your area inform the cops, you might get it back if they do some joined up thinking. Mine was found in another county by Council workers who called their plod who, after a while, spotted its details on some kind of stolen vehicle register shared by the police.
After reporting asap to the police post details of the theft on every social media site/LR related site you can think of, tell everybody you know, ring scrapyards and garages that deal in 4x4s and if you see a copper or a cop car and get the chance tell them as well. I spotted a couple of cops pulled in to the side of the road, stopped and told 'em (I was out looking for mine that evening at places I'd been told might just have the odd nicked part or vehicle lying around, and yes, possibly a bit daft but also yes, I was prepared and accompanied
), turns out they had no details so put it in their notebook for when they were out and about. Anything and everything proactive you can do might just get your vehicle back. I also visited pubs in the local area and put the word out, dangling a small reward. I got it back, abandoned in a ditch bit the worse for wear but repairable. Make it really difficult for them from the get go to hang on to it.
I agree with hippo, no-one else will care about your Landy getting nicked as much as you (although I found an awful lot of people willing to help look for it) and no-one else is responsible for preventing it getting nicked but you...lesson I've learned. So get some security on it. I don't park in the same place, I park in a more difficult spot to get out of with extra visible security and 'covert' security. I aim to put grilles on the rear windows too as that's how they got in - pushed in the small window at the side of the rear door, reached in and unlocked it, so if you ain't going in via the back door padlock it as well from the inside and if you've got a dog guard up they're not getting into the cab from the back either.
Pass details of stolen LRs in your area to your Community Police officer so they can be aware if a pattern starts to emerge. Vehicle thefts don't always filter down the chain to cops who might be out and about like the two I spoke to.
Hope that stops someone from getting theirs nicked.
He reiterated that in their opinion it was an organised theft and still an ongoing investigation due to 4 being stolen across Tyne and Wear, County Durham and Northumberland in a short space of time along with mine. No-one's been caught or charged yet but in his words they're still 'actively looking.' I was 'lucky' and got mine back (bit of a mess but hey ho) but there are lessons to be learned:
Police informed me when I asked them on the morning of the theft about cctv, that they do NOT track the vehicle on cctv. They will use the ANPR system and if your vehicle doesn't ping a traffic camera or ANPR you're stuffed. Even if it does, when they go to cctv in the area near the ANPR cam it's pinged and don't see the vehicle they won't do any more as (again so I was told) how would they know which of the multiple directions and cameras to start tracking from (seems to work for other things, thinks I, but that's besides the point).
They'll get into any older Landy in multiple ways so any and every device that slows down the amount of time it takes for them to get it rolling and/or get it started may just end up making it too much trouble for them.
Your local Community Police officer can give you free advice and links to a range of security devices and how to fit them, and cams to install, including motion detector trail cams, audio devices that alert the thief they're on cam, remote links to your mobile or pc that also trigger an alarm and trackers that will allow you to then follow the vehicle's movements. Even ground locks for the wheels (just use by themselves though and you might wake up to a wheel sitting forlornly in the driveway!).
Recovery of anything the thief might have handled is no guarantee they'll be caught and if they are, unless you've got a clear print, it's a slow process to match thief to evidence so mark your stuff, anything and everything, engine, seats, bolt on extras, the works so that if it's recovered in someone else's vehicle or house then the plod have cause to pursue them.
And no, the old bill DON'T come running when you call to tell them your precious tratter's been nicked. I rang about 2 hours after mine was nicked (worked out when between the time the other half left for work and I looked out the window at the rear of the house where you could see the 90...gone) and they said they'd send someone round the NEXT DAY. Gotta be kdding says I, they can't be far. After some persistence they eventually agreed to send someone round that afternoon, not exactly top of the list when it comes to crime busting (and I don't live in a city and the streets aren't exactly awash with muggers, terrorists or escaped lunatics). Lackadaisical statement taken with the repeated assurance that "I'd probably never see it again" which was pretty distressing as I had a large amount of stuff in the back, a lot of it of sentimental as well as monetary value.
Once they realised that it was one of several stolen I was told that a detective was now in charge and would be in touch meanwhile a statement would be taken. Hang on, I've already done that thinks I, but this time there was a lot more detail and a more 'conscientious' on the ball attitude so if you're aware of more LR thefts in your area inform the cops, you might get it back if they do some joined up thinking. Mine was found in another county by Council workers who called their plod who, after a while, spotted its details on some kind of stolen vehicle register shared by the police.
After reporting asap to the police post details of the theft on every social media site/LR related site you can think of, tell everybody you know, ring scrapyards and garages that deal in 4x4s and if you see a copper or a cop car and get the chance tell them as well. I spotted a couple of cops pulled in to the side of the road, stopped and told 'em (I was out looking for mine that evening at places I'd been told might just have the odd nicked part or vehicle lying around, and yes, possibly a bit daft but also yes, I was prepared and accompanied
), turns out they had no details so put it in their notebook for when they were out and about. Anything and everything proactive you can do might just get your vehicle back. I also visited pubs in the local area and put the word out, dangling a small reward. I got it back, abandoned in a ditch bit the worse for wear but repairable. Make it really difficult for them from the get go to hang on to it.I agree with hippo, no-one else will care about your Landy getting nicked as much as you (although I found an awful lot of people willing to help look for it) and no-one else is responsible for preventing it getting nicked but you...lesson I've learned. So get some security on it. I don't park in the same place, I park in a more difficult spot to get out of with extra visible security and 'covert' security. I aim to put grilles on the rear windows too as that's how they got in - pushed in the small window at the side of the rear door, reached in and unlocked it, so if you ain't going in via the back door padlock it as well from the inside and if you've got a dog guard up they're not getting into the cab from the back either.
Pass details of stolen LRs in your area to your Community Police officer so they can be aware if a pattern starts to emerge. Vehicle thefts don't always filter down the chain to cops who might be out and about like the two I spoke to.
Hope that stops someone from getting theirs nicked.
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