agew · Jan 30, 2018

And it seems quite a normal prohibition sign? Oddly of course a plain white circle with red ring round would mean much the same, but prob a lot less recognised.....

From the mud they were clearly hooping about where they shouldn’t so not much sympathy for them (at all).... A

goonarmy · Jan 30, 2018

Th highway code defines signs for drivers. Drivers using (or prohibited) should be seeing a stardised sign as per the highway code

Turboman · Jan 30, 2018

Gottschalk said:
I know this is accurate, but I personally think its a load of sh!te too!
If green lanes really are supposedly council maintained roads etc and all the stuff the requirements that go with driving them, like insurance, wearing seat belts etc, then I personally think they should be sign posted, just like every other road we drive.

It would probably defuse the genuine mistakes that some people make, and reassure responsible users that they are in the right.

All (most) bridleways are signposted, but it can be confusing in concern to UCR's which may or may not have vehicular rights over them. Just my opinion mind

The whole issue of ROW is a complete pig's ear TBH, as a result of various pieces of ill thought out legislation, and a flawed process of registering interest and usage of individual rights of way.

There would be an argument for making all ROW open to all vehicle users, and just restricting damaging use at some times by means of TROs.

My friends in the mountain biking community are hassled by walkers for riding on footpaths, despite the footpaths they are using sometimes seeing about one walker a week.
And some bridleways, and footpaths, would benefit from the odd 4wd using them to break back vegetation that threatens to overgrow the paths.

Sadly, at the moment, we must all try and live within the law as it stands at the moment, in order to avoid further antagonism from the antis.

Chalky. · Jan 30, 2018

Turboman said:
The whole issue of ROW is a complete pig's ear TBH, as a result of various pieces of ill thought out legislation, and a flawed process of registering interest and usage of individual rights of way.

There would be an argument for making all ROW open to all vehicle users, and just restricting damaging use at some times by means of TROs.

My friends in the mountain biking community are hassled by walkers for riding on footpaths, despite the footpaths they are using sometimes seeing about one walker a week.
And some bridleways, and footpaths, would benefit from the odd 4wd using them to break back vegetation that threatens to overgrow the paths.

Sadly, at the moment, we must all try and live within the law as it stands at the moment, in order to avoid further antagonism from the antis.

Absolutely mate, agree with all of that

doriz · Jan 30, 2018

They are Discos, all the sills will be rotten, no great loss.

dieseldog69 · Jan 31, 2018

Turboman said:
The whole issue of ROW is a complete pig's ear TBH, as a result of various pieces of ill thought out legislation, and a flawed process of registering interest and usage of individual rights of way.

There would be an argument for making all ROW open to all vehicle users, and just restricting damaging use at some times by means of TROs.

My friends in the mountain biking community are hassled by walkers for riding on footpaths, despite the footpaths they are using sometimes seeing about one walker a week.
And some bridleways, and footpaths, would benefit from the odd 4wd using them to break back vegetation that threatens to overgrow the paths.

Sadly, at the moment, we must all try and live within the law as it stands at the moment, in order to avoid further antagonism from the antis.

This year I am planning to drive every available ROW in Hampshire to begin then moving on to visiting ROW with TROs slapped on them to see what they are like now, if there is a case to challenge the County Council to get them re-opened or if they are just over grown and unused now after so long without any traffic breaking through the brush? After Hampshire I plan to look at neighboring counties too.

I am actually getting pizzed off with councils constantly closing lanes without offering any alternative for vehicular access, it is seems to go against their equalities and non discrimination policies.

I don't much care if they don't want to repair the roads, or do any maintenance, they have their get out of jail free cards with the "not suitable for motor vehicles" signs so they should just sign them as not suitable for walkers and leave us to it.

Bobsticle · Jan 31, 2018

Im just glad they got this one off our streets. Makes your blood boil.

Turboman · Jan 31, 2018

dieseldog69 said:
This year I am planning to drive every available ROW in Hampshire to begin then moving on to visiting ROW with TROs slapped on them to see what they are like now, if there is a case to challenge the County Council to get them re-opened or if they are just over grown and unused now after so long without any traffic breaking through the brush? After Hampshire I plan to look at neighboring counties too.

I am actually getting pizzed off with councils constantly closing lanes without offering any alternative for vehicular access, it is seems to go against their equalities and non discrimination policies.

I don't much care if they don't want to repair the roads, or do any maintenance, they have their get out of jail free cards with the "not suitable for motor vehicles" signs so they should just sign them as not suitable for walkers and leave us to it.

That is a good plan. Bit of direct action out on the ground, and actually challenging their random actions, keep em honest.

And you will get some interesting trips out of it as a bonus.

dieseldog69 · Jan 31, 2018

Turboman said:
That is a good plan. Bit of direct action out on the ground, and actually challenging their random actions, keep em honest.

And you will get some interesting trips out of it as a bonus.

How many ramblers have you seen with secateurs in hand cutting brambles back? Never in my life have I!

Predicting many hours staring at definitive maps & emailing Mr. Bell from GLASS to try and get a view of where I'm going.

Turboman · Jan 31, 2018

dieseldog69 said:
How many ramblers have you seen with secateurs in hand cutting brambles back? Never in my life have I!

Predicting many hours staring at definitive maps & emailing Mr. Bell from GLASS to try and get a view of where I'm going.

Very few. And they never seemed grateful when I smashed back the interference fit vegetation for them.

dieseldog69 · Jan 31, 2018

Turboman said:
Very few. And they never seemed grateful when I smashed back the interference fit vegetation for them.

A couple of years ago I was on a lane near Petersfield after a storm, May bank holiday I think it was, a tree was down right across the lane, it was a gulley with nowhere to go either side so I set about it with my bow saw, three ramblers rocked up, at first they were yelling for me to move the Discovery an then when they saw I was a bit busy they just parked up on the bank for an hour an left me cutting an lugging the tree out of the way on my jack Jones

not an offer of help they just sat there like garden gnomes

Turboman · Jan 31, 2018

dieseldog69 said:
A couple of years ago I was on a lane near Petersfield after a storm, May bank holiday I think it was, a tree was down right across the lane, it was a gulley with nowhere to go either side so I set about it with my bow saw, three ramblers rocked up, at first they were yelling for me to move the Discovery an then when they saw I was a bit busy they just parked up on the bank for an hour an left me cutting an lugging the tree out of the way on my jack Jones not an offer of help they just sat there like garden gnomes

Fairly typical. And they probably filmed you after you had cleared it, and posted it on FB complaining about your interfering with their day out!

My favourite story about walkers, which I have posted before.

One day, on a legal lane, good ground conditions, I was told off by some walkers for damaging the ground. Which I wasn't.
I drove on, and after a few miles, had to turn back, because the lane changed to a bridleway.
I met the ramblers again, also turned for home, as it was now pouring down, so I asked them if they would like a lift in my motor, which they gratefully accepted!

dieseldog69 · Jan 31, 2018

I was amazed last Saturday to actually get a few waves and smiles while we were out laning it was a marked improvement on the rest of the misery we encountered.

I should really carry my shovel more often to let the water off the lanes but I got a few stern looks for letting it off the side of a tarmac road last week from passing motorists so me enthusiasm is waining, especially as I am stopping their cars ge covered in mud off the wash.

Turboman · Jan 31, 2018

dieseldog69 said:
I was amazed last Saturday to actually get a few waves and smiles while we were out laning it was a marked improvement on the rest of the misery we encountered.

I should really carry my shovel more often to let the water off the lanes but I got a few stern looks for letting it off the side of a tarmac road last week from passing motorists so me enthusiasm is waining, especially as I am stopping their cars ge covered in mud off the wash.

I think the situation has maybe improved, due to the publicity of Glass and TRF, and the growing realisation that many users indulge in more than one form of ROW activity. I know people that walk, ride, have a mountain bike, and a 4WD. They do as they see fit on different days, according to weather and preference.

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