tetatate

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Hi
I have a series 2a with a perkins 4.203 fitted .
someones saying that smaller sumps where fitted to clear the axle and therefore less oil needed ?
Anyone know anything about this ?
Its smoking and they think maybe because it has too much oil?

Thanks
Paul
 
If its has the correct sump and dipstick and the oil level is normal then the engine should not smoke.
You could try draining the oil to see how much there is in the sump then sort of approximate what the level would be.
What colour is the smoke?, and does it worsen/lessen under load.
The perky 4000 series are good motors, older ones do like to throw the black stuff now and again.
 
the problem is we don't know if it is the original sump and therfore how much oil it needs .
the smoke is bluish some black

did have 6 ltrs in there a diesel mechanic suggested taking 1/2 litres out till smoke stopped . down to 4ltrs !
 
if its any use i've had a look at my 4.203 engine book, it states sump capacity as "Varies according to application. Fill to full mark on dipstick with vehilce or machine standing on level ground." :D
 
yeah, i have two 4.203's both with different sumps. i believe some 4.203 from tractors required a smaller sump to fit a landy.
 
difficult to know the right amount of oil needed if it has the wrong dipstick.

Do you think too much oil could cause smoking , I can't see it myself unless excessive?

Paul
 
Blue smoke is oil being burned and black is where the mixture is too rich.

The blue smoke could be from excessive oil level, allthough it would have to be silly high.
Other causes could be worn bores, worn/broken rings, worn valve stem oil seals or a failed head gasket.
A compression test would give you a good idea which end is at fault top or bottom or neither.
Thats put the spanner in the works annit.
Is there any sign of the axle hitting the sump?.
You need a minimum amount of oil to maintain level at the pickup strainer and to absorb heat from the engine without overheating the oil.
Try draining the sump and filling it again with the reccomended amount and see where it goes to on the dipstick.
 
my perkins used to burn and leak so much oil i couldn’t fill it fast enough to overfill it!! the valve stem seals leaked really badly, so it chucked out tones of blue smoke on start up after the initial blast of black smoke, then after maybe 5mins it would calm down and run with only a mildly blue exhaust. it also seeped oil out of every conceivable point on the engine block....

that engine's dipstick had spanish full and empty marks on it. if your engine was fitted with a different sump then it’s very likely it will be another 4.203 one. The chances of completely different engine sump happening to fit the 4.203's block are pretty slim (i'd think, someone tell me to shut up if i'm wrong here).

The two sumps i have look of similar size but one has a large square sump in the middle (allowing the engine to happy sit on the floor without falling over) and the other has the square sump right at the back so the engine would not sit on the floor without falling forwards. (I hope that makes some sort of sense)

to overfill the sump and cause smoking you would really have to put a huge amount of oil in.
 
Well 6litres as apposed to 4.5 litres seems an excessive extra amount to me, and that's what it took to get it up to the top dip stick level.
Phoenix Eng Hereford guy said this engine takes 1 gallon (4.5ltrs) though converted sumps may have different capacities.
 

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