Well I have never come across a well mannered biker, on the lanes. One occasion whilst 3 of us were going down bamford clough, 3 came flying up. I stopped where I thought there'd be plenty of room to get round, yet they carried on towards me. One went up the banking round me, n nearly fell on my car, the 2nd nearly killed himself on the wall, then decided to go down with the 3rd. Then there was chapel gate before the tro, on 2 occasions groups came flying up the side, where people were walking including my daughter in a pram, without slowing. I wouldn't class that as ill informed... They just seem to tear round at reckless speeds on narrow tracks, seemingly with no regard for others. Yes, I know 4x4 drivers who are, frankly, cocks. N i tell them they are. Have u ever been on the track by pindale quarry near castleton?

Well your obviously going out at the wrong time of day with regard to well mannered bikers:). I'm sure we can both recall many occasions when either party are acting like arseholes. This has only become a problem over the last ten years due to TRO's,downgraded lanes and even closure leading to the knock on effect of the remaining few lanes getting hammered by all and creating even more problems.The track at Pindale was never legal so thats why you now have a bouldered lane. As for tearing around recklessly its just a matter of prespective,most aren't going that fast in reality,its no more dangerous than winching another vehicle on a lane with walkers going passed, you wont see that as reckless or dangerous would you,like i said its a matter of prespective. The problem is we are all responsible for our actions on the lanes and its the mindless few that spoil it for the majority.
 
Right we all know someone who has or hasn't been off piste but...... This Fred ain't about that! Soooo back to the best lanes!!! :D:D
 
Yes hope they do hoping to do them beginning of march if I don't break anything before then:D
will you be starting a fred for your outing or are you going it alone? just i was wandering if i could tag along with you if thats ok? (little cheeky self invitation there :lol:)
 
will you be starting a fred for your outing or are you going it alone? just i was wandering if i could tag along with you if thats ok? (little cheeky self invitation there :lol:)

Not going to bother with a Fred as this will be the first time I've sorted my own trip/route and lead the group just me and one other going but if you dont mind doing a few u-turns lol your more than welcome to join. Where you from? And it will be 4th march a sunday
 
Not going to bother with a Fred as this will be the first time I've sorted my own trip/route and lead the group just me and one other going but if you dont mind doing a few u-turns lol your more than welcome to join. Where you from? And it will be 4th march a sunday

Best me be coming Craig! Haha me n josh will be coming
 

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