Turboman said:
Doubt if you would have got past me in my Massey with a trailed mower on the back.

Even with a Cupra engine! :)
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I once 'deleted' a tractors injection pump's wire tabs and fiddled... overtaking became a thing of wonderous joy... (so long as you remembered you couldn't do naff all to the brakes)
 
myfirstl322 said:
I once 'deleted' a tractors injection pump's wire tabs and fiddled... overtaking became a thing of wonderous joy... (so long as you remembered you couldn't do naff all to the brakes)
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Tractor fun was ruined when they fitted brakes on the front, and tractors were permitted to go faster than 18mph.

Even an emmet can handle half an hour at 30 mph without chewing through the steering wheel. :(
 
Henry_b said:
How much is a pd130 conversion going run you? it isn't going to cost pennies..

A built TD5, hell even a mildy tuned TD5 works very well, easily the best diesel Lr has ever produced.

No real need for an excess of power in an old LR..
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I have no idea of cost. But i would hope a conversion plate would cost less than a grand which is ball park figure for a set of head bolts to hold the head down with the increased boost of a TD5.
There is a chap on PDTuning's Instagram site. It shows a pic of his much modified Defender. I haven't got around to joining it yet to search him out. I assume he has a PD engine installed. I did find a guy in Brazil or somewhere out there who had fitted one into a Series, but he mated it to another gearbox, i think from the VAG group but that was only rear wheel drive which in my mind defeats the whole reason for owning a Landy. I'm skilled enough at getting them stuck WITH 4wd, let alone 2.
My main candidate for this conversion is my 101. The PD130 is ball park power as the original V8. In my Ibiza i could get 80mpg out of it in the summer at 50mph on the motorway. Now i know i'll only get that in a 101 if i've managed to lassoo the lorry in front of me but i'm bloody sure i'd get double what the V8 does!
 
Turboman said:
Very few ever overtook me. I made a special effort, swerving out a bit if necessary! :D

In Cornwall, we do it dreckly, and are a bit suspicious of people in a hurry.

Guessing that would be an AI centre? I seem to remember you mentioning it before.
Being an ex bull breeder, I am not all that keen on AI, it impacts on sales.
But I imagine that must have been interesting work.
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Yeah, Avoncroft Cattle Breeders. It was fun. I had my one and only(thank god) near death experience there! Also a serious WTF? Epiphany too! One unforgettable moment was when we had the ministry vets there doing some test or something that involved geting all of the bulls out when one farted. It was high pitched and went on warbling for about ten seconds. We all started to laugh and then it started again. And kept going on for nearly a minute. Pitch going up and down and by the end none of us could talk. Almost on the floor in tears laughing! It makes you wonder at what pressure bovine stomachs operate at and how tight their arse valves are to maintain such a high pitched tone and then raise and lower it for nearly a minute!
 
yfo866 said:
Yeah, Avoncroft Cattle Breeders. It was fun. I had my one and only(thank god) near death experience there! Also a serious WTF? Epiphany too! One unforgettable moment was when we had the ministry vets there doing some test or something that involved geting all of the bulls out when one farted. It was high pitched and went on warbling for about ten seconds. We all started to laugh and then it started again. And kept going on for nearly a minute. Pitch going up and down and by the end none of us could talk. Almost on the floor in tears laughing! It makes you wonder at what pressure bovine stomachs operate at and how tight their arse valves are to maintain such a high pitched tone and then raise and lower it for nearly a minute!
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Cattle can make plenty of gas, that is for sure! :D

I used to like working with the bulls, especially training them for shows.
But they are dangerous. Beef bulls not too bad, but dairy bulls are real killers, which is why you rarely see them on farms, only in AI centres.
 
yfo866 said:
Yeah, Avoncroft Cattle Breeders. It was fun. I had my one and only(thank god) near death experience there! Also a serious WTF? Epiphany too! One unforgettable moment was when we had the ministry vets there doing some test or something that involved geting all of the bulls out when one farted. It was high pitched and went on warbling for about ten seconds. We all started to laugh and then it started again. And kept going on for nearly a minute. Pitch going up and down and by the end none of us could talk. Almost on the floor in tears laughing! It makes you wonder at what pressure bovine stomachs operate at and how tight their arse valves are to maintain such a high pitched tone and then raise and lower it for nearly a minute!
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Reminds me of overdoing the bruised barley myself once... (gosh it was dry)
 
myfirstl322 said:
I once 'deleted' a tractors injection pump's wire tabs and fiddled... overtaking became a thing of wonderous joy... (so long as you remembered you couldn't do naff all to the brakes)
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I think my single most scariest experience on four wheels was while sitting on the wheelarch inside the cab of a tractor with a mate driving towing about three tons of chopped logs for the gaffer. He decided to knock the tractor out of gear to go a bit faster down a hill. It had a couple of tight twists in it before opening out. I didn't see any problem, until we were up to about 30 mph and the brakes were having NO BLOODY AFFECT WHAT SO EVER to slowing us down. He did manage to ram, and i mean RAM it back into gear and the needle on the rev counter went off the scale. NO tractor engine should ever make the noise that that one did. I hate to think what revs it hit. It still kept going though. Afterwards we nearly wet ourselves with relief after not crashing through the hedges on the outside of the bends or hitting something head on!
 
yfo866 said:
I think my single most scariest experience on four wheels was while sitting on the wheelarch inside the cab of a tractor with a mate driving towing about three tons of chopped logs for the gaffer. He decided to knock the tractor out of gear to go a bit faster down a hill. It had a couple of tight twists in it before opening out. I didn't see any problem, until we were up to about 30 mph and the brakes were having NO BLOODY AFFECT WHAT SO EVER to slowing us down. He did manage to ram, and i mean RAM it back into gear and the needle on the rev counter went off the scale. NO tractor engine should ever make the noise that that one did. I hate to think what revs it hit. It still kept going though. Afterwards we nearly wet ourselves with relief after not crashing through the hedges on the outside of the bends or hitting something head on!
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Mine was when the steering bar front ball joint on my Fordson detached suddenly while on a steep slope.
Open tractor, no roll bar. If it had turned over I was a goner, but for some reason, it didn't.
 
yfo866 said:
I think my single most scariest experience on four wheels was while sitting on the wheelarch inside the cab of a tractor with a mate driving towing about three tons of chopped logs for the gaffer. He decided to knock the tractor out of gear to go a bit faster down a hill. It had a couple of tight twists in it before opening out. I didn't see any problem, until we were up to about 30 mph and the brakes were having NO BLOODY AFFECT WHAT SO EVER to slowing us down. He did manage to ram, and i mean RAM it back into gear and the needle on the rev counter went off the scale. NO tractor engine should ever make the noise that that one did. I hate to think what revs it hit. It still kept going though. Afterwards we nearly wet ourselves with relief after not crashing through the hedges on the outside of the bends or hitting something head on!
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Sorta similar, some idiot (me) never though to check if the brake pedals had been locked together...

the 'cloth' nearly got it that day.
 
yfo866 said:
I have no idea of cost. But i would hope a conversion plate would cost less than a grand which is ball park figure for a set of head bolts to hold the head down with the increased boost of a TD5.
There is a chap on PDTuning's Instagram site. It shows a pic of his much modified Defender. I haven't got around to joining it yet to search him out. I assume he has a PD engine installed. I did find a guy in Brazil or somewhere out there who had fitted one into a Series, but he mated it to another gearbox, i think from the VAG group but that was only rear wheel drive which in my mind defeats the whole reason for owning a Landy. I'm skilled enough at getting them stuck WITH 4wd, let alone 2.
My main candidate for this conversion is my 101. The PD130 is ball park power as the original V8. In my Ibiza i could get 80mpg out of it in the summer at 50mph on the motorway. Now i know i'll only get that in a 101 if i've managed to lassoo the lorry in front of me but i'm bloody sure i'd get double what the V8 does!
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Most boosted Td5's are still on their stock headbolts. :)

A chap on D2bc has a nice discovery 2 running 231hp and 587nm, they can make good power, sound infinitely better than an old 4 pot dizzle too.
 
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Turboman said:
Cattle can make plenty of gas, that is for sure! :D

I used to like working with the bulls, especially training them for shows.
But they are dangerous. Beef bulls not too bad, but dairy bulls are real killers, which is why you rarely see them on farms, only in AI centres.
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I'll agree with that! We heard that most people thought Ayrshires were the loopiest. We had one come in for a few months that had ripped his ring out of his nose at some point so he had no septum which meant he had to be handled using a bridle and head rope. I never worked him. I left that to the head stockman. He was paid extra, a lot more than me and as such didn't have the luxury of say SOD THAT, which i could 😁

We also had one come in, Avondale Starligh Posch. Funny how some names stick...
He came in with TWO rings in his nose. One too big, you could almost pull it over his lower lip and one too small that was cutting into his flesh, which has become infected and was BLOODY SORE!
It was of no surprise that the owner and people who dropped him off said he was bloody loopy! He had to be sedated to get him into the lorry to us. The first thing our vet did was have both rings cut out to allow his nose to heal.
To catch him prior to mucking out we had to resort to climbing the dividing walls of the pens either side of his and trying to lassoo him. Have you ever tried to do that? John Wayne makes it look easy. For us lot it was two blokes on either wall and half an hour with Posch shooting us dirty looks every time we missed.
It did get easier though. But not for the reason you think. WE didn't get better but i think he took pity on us. After we kept at it and eventuall got a rope over his head we'd then throw the other end so someone could lean in through the manger and hook the end and then pull him in so we could tie the rope up. Then we could go in and carefully muck him out. After a few weeks if you threw the rope so it landed on his head he'd assume he was caught and would stick his head into the manger so someone outside could then put another rope around his neck and tie him up. Then after that if the rope landed on his neck or shoulders he'd give up and come in. Then if it landed on his back he'd do the same. It wasn't too long before you'd only have to open the manger door, throw one end into the pen and he'd come in. The awkward sod never did what every other bull would do though, which was just throw a scoop of food into the manger and they'd come in. He always insisted you throw a rope at him, or at least in his general direction!
We'd heard that he was a homicidal bull. Almost impossible to handle. We found him just nervous at first and after a couple of months was just fine. Easy in fact. It's amazing how animals act when you don't abuse/mistreat them!
We had a couple like that. Cofton Polyanther's Carter was one. A Jersey short arse of a bull. Soft as muck. Always up to the gate for a head scrath when you walked past. He went back home to his owner for a few months. One of our guys, the same guy who knocked the tractor out of gear went to collect him using our horse box. He turned up at the farm. Their chap pointed to Carter's pen and wandered off to get help saying he'd be back shortly. Our guy opened up the horse box, grabbed a head rope, went to Carter, put the rope on him over the door, opened it and lead him into the trailer. He'd got him tied up before the other guy turned up with a mate to help. When they saw Carter already in the trailer they went nuts! Calling our guy a stupid idiot and asking him if he'd got a deathwish or something. He said they were the stupid ones. Carter was like a puppy! They then told him that Carter had killed a cow and half demolished a brick pen and showed him. Judging by how he reacted when someone went into his pen with a fork or broom, we reckoned they'd been beating hime with either a long stick or broom. He was very nervous and you had to make sure he knew you were there before you walked into his pen. I remember walking in slowly talking to him to sweep up and i'd walked past him to the back of the pen and while talking to him watched him slowly pull back and break his ring. I exited quickly. It must have hurt like hell to just keep pulling back until the ring broke. After about six months though he was back to our 'old' Carter.
Another nutter was Percy. Can't remember his full name. He was a nutter. Just used to play up but one guy couldn't get near him. He was about 5 foot 4. Everyone else was around the six foot mark. We couldn't understand why we could handle him but not him. ANd then one day his owner turned up to see him. We took him outside and tied him to the exerciser for the owner to see. When Percy saw him he went nuts. He was short too...
I'd never call cattle dumb animals. Sheep yes, cattle no.
 
yfo866 said:
I'll agree with that! We heard that most people thought Ayrshires were the loopiest. We had one come in for a few months that had ripped his ring out of his nose at some point so he had no septum which meant he had to be handled using a bridle and head rope. I never worked him. I left that to the head stockman. He was paid extra, a lot more than me and as such didn't have the luxury of say SOD THAT, which i could 😁

We also had one come in, Avondale Starligh Posch. Funny how some names stick...
He came in with TWO rings in his nose. One too big, you could almost pull it over his lower lip and one too small that was cutting into his flesh, which has become infected and was BLOODY SORE!
It was of no surprise that the owner and people who dropped him off said he was bloody loopy! He had to be sedated to get him into the lorry to us. The first thing our vet did was have both rings cut out to allow his nose to heal.
To catch him prior to mucking out we had to resort to climbing the dividing walls of the pens either side of his and trying to lassoo him. Have you ever tried to do that? John Wayne makes it look easy. For us lot it was two blokes on either wall and half an hour with Posch shooting us dirty looks every time we missed.
It did get easier though. But not for the reason you think. WE didn't get better but i think he took pity on us. After we kept at it and eventuall got a rope over his head we'd then throw the other end so someone could lean in through the manger and hook the end and then pull him in so we could tie the rope up. Then we could go in and carefully muck him out. After a few weeks if you threw the rope so it landed on his head he'd assume he was caught and would stick his head into the manger so someone outside could then put another rope around his neck and tie him up. Then after that if the rope landed on his neck or shoulders he'd give up and come in. Then if it landed on his back he'd do the same. It wasn't too long before you'd only have to open the manger door, throw one end into the pen and he'd come in. The awkward sod never did what every other bull would do though, which was just throw a scoop of food into the manger and they'd come in. He always insisted you throw a rope at him, or at least in his general direction!
We'd heard that he was a homicidal bull. Almost impossible to handle. We found him just nervous at first and after a couple of months was just fine. Easy in fact. It's amazing how animals act when you don't abuse/mistreat them!
We had a couple like that. Cofton Polyanther's Carter was one. A Jersey short arse of a bull. Soft as muck. Always up to the gate for a head scrath when you walked past. He went back home to his owner for a few months. One of our guys, the same guy who knocked the tractor out of gear went to collect him using our horse box. He turned up at the farm. Their chap pointed to Carter's pen and wandered off to get help saying he'd be back shortly. Our guy opened up the horse box, grabbed a head rope, went to Carter, put the rope on him over the door, opened it and lead him into the trailer. He'd got him tied up before the other guy turned up with a mate to help. When they saw Carter already in the trailer they went nuts! Calling our guy a stupid idiot and asking him if he'd got a deathwish or something. He said they were the stupid ones. Carter was like a puppy! They then told him that Carter had killed a cow and half demolished a brick pen and showed him. Judging by how he reacted when someone went into his pen with a fork or broom, we reckoned they'd been beating hime with either a long stick or broom. He was very nervous and you had to make sure he knew you were there before you walked into his pen. I remember walking in slowly talking to him to sweep up and i'd walked past him to the back of the pen and while talking to him watched him slowly pull back and break his ring. I exited quickly. It must have hurt like hell to just keep pulling back until the ring broke. After about six months though he was back to our 'old' Carter.
Another nutter was Percy. Can't remember his full name. He was a nutter. Just used to play up but one guy couldn't get near him. He was about 5 foot 4. Everyone else was around the six foot mark. We couldn't understand why we could handle him but not him. ANd then one day his owner turned up to see him. We took him outside and tied him to the exerciser for the owner to see. When Percy saw him he went nuts. He was short too...
I'd never call cattle dumb animals. Sheep yes, cattle no.
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If the chap wants to lead a bull without a ring, that is fine. Personally, I wouldn't. Unless it was a young bull calf less than six months.

Small man syndrome happens in cattle too. It isn't often the big ones that are the most aggressive.

The old legend was that horned Jersey bulls were the worst. Quick on their feet, so they could turn and get a horn in you even on the run.
 
myfirstl322 said:
Sorta similar, some idiot (me) never though to check if the brake pedals had been locked together...

the 'cloth' nearly got it that day.
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Ha ha, yeah. GOLDEN RULE at Avoncroft. If you lift the bar when off road, MAKE SURE YOU PUT IT BACK before you got out!
It's shocking how quickly they turn when you press one side.
We had four tractors at Avoncroft. All David Brown or Case. The 'little' tractor wasn't used for much so when we got into using chopped straw for bedding the PTO driven chopper ended up mounted on it full time. I remember being lumbered to having to drive it from the Top Farm back to the main unit and someone had driven it outside of the front gate for me and locked the gate. I was dropped off next to it and noticed there was almost a full bale of straw in the chopper. I thought nothing more of it thinking i didn't think it was sticking out enough to blow out into the road behind. I jumped in and when i pulled away it pulled a wheelie!
WOOHOO!!!
If i accelerated gently it was ok for that trip i uncoupled the brake pedals, just in case i needed extra steering effect.
 
Turboman said:
If the chap wants to lead a bull without a ring, that is fine. Personally, I wouldn't. Unless it was a young bull calf less than six months.

Small man syndrome happens in cattle too. It isn't often the big ones that are the most aggressive.

The old legend was that horned Jersey bulls were the worst. Quick on their feet, so they could turn and get a horn in you even on the run.
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I only have experience with one Jersey. That was Carter and he hadn't got any.
What you have to take into account, we didn't just lead bulls around. It wasn't like at a show. When we handled a bull it was,
Us "look bull, poontang!"
Bull "MOOOO YEAH!"
Us "Go for it!"
Bull "OK. WTF? Why did you pull me down?"
Us "Oh, sorry. Go for it!"
Bull"OK, thanks...HEY!"
Us "Sorry, did i do it again, sorry. Jump on again..."
After several jumps up when he's almost sweating semen one of us chaps appears with an AV and WOOHOO! We run off to the lab and the bull goes back to his pen...Happy. I don't think i'd want to do that without direct control of his nose ring.
 
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