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polsta

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Hello everyone, i need some help diagnosing a fault/your views please

had my p38 a while now and no real issues, but last night on way to work it cut out, - engine cut out and stopped and power steering went etc,i stopped, it started again, and got to work

after work at 4am, it did it again 2 mins after starting on a bloody roundabout, then again, and 3 or 4 times as i managed to limp it to a safe place to stop, and call my breakdown

so he comes out, it starts, ticks over, although dips slightly then back up sometimes, revved ok

he asked if i had put in any fuel additives or anything

about 3 weeks ago i serviced it, and used an injector cleaner, that you fill the new fuel filter with, and its been fine since and had no problems

he checked around the engine, said there doesnt seem to be any leak around the fuel pump i think it was, and that looked ok

the breakdown guy said i have blown the tip of an injector ?

he followed me home about 7 miles and i got home ok with no problems, and thats where im at basicly

i spoke to a mate of mine on the phone whos a mechanic himself and hes gonna pop round in a bit and have a look, he said we can have a look at the injectors and see, but it would be over fueling if that was the case and smoking a lot ? which its not

but just wondered on your views on what to check and whats the most likley thing ???

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also, breakdown guy said theres a bit of a smell from the clutch, and that will need doing at some point, although theres no slipping or anything, only sometimes the slightest bit of very slight judder in 1st and reverse at the top of the bite ?

just wondered how long labour wise it is to do, and whats involved ? and whats the best clutch to get/where from etc,that was all i needed to hear :(


cheers guys, appriciate any help
 
I'd be surprised if it's an injector, more likely an electrical problem. Get the fault codes read, check the under bonnet fuse box for signs/smells of burning, check all battery and earth connections, check the in tank pump is working.
 
ok thanks

my mates just been having a look

theres air bubbles comming through from the fuel filter in the pipe that leads out, he said 1st thing to do is get a new fuel filter tomorrow and see if that fixes it ,incase the fuel filter is a bit dodgy or a block in it or something ?? think theres a chance that might be the case ? where the fuel filter was only changed a couple of weeks ago ?

if not, he said then like you say, its the tank pump ? if thats the case whats involved ? how much for a pump ? , i was having a search earlier and read about having to lower the tank, or cut through the floor under the seat ? (the 2nd option id rather avoid)
 
im just searching other threads, seems air in that tube from the filter is a common problem ?

i replaced the leak off pipes when i 1st got it, 6 months ago roughly, i did check them earlier but they looked ok, should i replace them again to just be sure ? i found a reply in a thread which mentioned "the nipple one at the end" , what is that ??

also ive read about 0 ring seals by the filter ? how do i replace them and where to get them from ?

although as i recently replaced the fuel filter, im hoping its just that and the seal is a bit iffy maybe ? the filter is a "mahle" ,are they ok ? should i buy one from the same place or go to euro or something ?

and, do i have the bleedd the fuel filter /system at all ?
 
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Check all diesel pipes are tight and not allowing air in , in tank pump issues usually show up with less than a quarter tank of fuel and car won't start well, I would change filter for what its worth,
 
Could be air getting in around the filter seal. If you changed the leak off pipes and didn't break the metal tubes then they should be OK, you would have a pool of diesel around the injector if they were leaking.
You can test the in tank pump, with the filter off put a container underneath and get someone to turn the ignition on, you should get a healthy squirt of fuel.
You could try the bleed proceedure in RAVE to get the air out in case it's a result of your filter change.
 
Chrisfrain2007 said:
Check all diesel pipes are tight and not allowing air in , in tank pump issues usually show up with less than a quarter tank of fuel and car won't start well, I would change filter for what its worth,
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what/where are the diesel pipes exactly ? i dont know too much about engines

but the tank is on around a quarter ?
 
polsta said:
what/where are the diesel pipes exactly ? i dont know too much about engines

but the tank is on around a quarter ?
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All the pipes that carry the fuel from tank to filter, filter to FIP. The injector pipes will not be loose or there would be fuel everywhere.
 
Datatek said:
Could be air getting in around the filter seal. If you changed the leak off pipes and didn't break the metal tubes then they should be OK, you would have a pool of diesel around the injector if they were leaking.
You can test the in tank pump, with the filter off put a container underneath and get someone to turn the ignition on, you should get a healthy squirt of fuel.
You could try the bleed proceedure in RAVE to get the air out in case it's a result of your filter change.
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didnt have any problems when changed the leak pipes, went smoothly and that was monthys ago

as i only changed the fuel filter, and it was the 1st ever time i have done this on a diesel, all i did was unscrew the old, fill the new with the additive stuff (which was the correct one for fuel filter) and screwed in the new with a bit of oil, and tightened by hand , im hoping that this is just the cause of it

il change it tomorrow for the sake of it, can you give me a quick guide of exactly how to do it correctly and sealed properly etc

is there any chance you can copy/paste the bleed info from rave if no trouble so i can have a go before it gets dark
 
polsta said:
didnt have any problems when changed the leak pipes, went smoothly and that was monthys ago

as i only changed the fuel filter, and it was the 1st ever time i have done this on a diesel, all i did was unscrew the old, fill the new with the additive stuff (which was the correct one for fuel filter) and screwed in the new with a bit of oil, and tightened by hand , im hoping that this is just the cause of it

il change it tomorrow for the sake of it, can you give me a quick guide of exactly how to do it correctly and sealed properly etc

is there any chance you can copy/paste the bleed info from rave if no trouble so i can have a go before it gets dark
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The one thing I cannot do is copy and paste from RAVE, the software will not let me. You did the filter right.
Just slacken the nut on the pipe from the filter to the FIP at the FIP and crank it over unit fuel comes out and the air disappears.
As your tank is quarter full, I'd put money on it being the in tank pump.
 
sounds that way sadly doesnt it

although il just replace the filter tomorrow on the off chance for the sake of £10 , yet the fuel has been lower than it is now a couple of times in the last couple of weeks/since filter and its not done this ?

would it be worth just unscrewing the fuel filter now, and screwing it back up ?
 
polsta said:
sounds that way sadly doesnt it

although il just replace the filter tomorrow on the off chance for the sake of £10 , yet the fuel has been lower than it is now a couple of times in the last couple of weeks/since filter and its not done this ?

would it be worth just unscrewing the fuel filter now, and screwing it back up ?
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No harm in trying.
 
just has a quick look at the fuel line from the filter, do i bleed it by undoing the nut ?

i give up for today, il try a new filter tomorrow , how about the o ring seals ? where do you get them can i get them from euro parts or motor factors or is it the dealers ? part number ? , there is slight oil on that area on the conenctor from the filter where the tube comes out

if it is the in tank pump, how much is that to fix ? a new pump ? cost ? or can one be got from a breaker ? and how much labour time roughly ? or would i 1st test if so by filling up the fuel and see if the air dissapears ?
 
polsta said:
just has a quick look at the fuel line from the filter, do i bleed it by undoing the nut ?

i give up for today, il try a new filter tomorrow , how about the o ring seals ? where do you get them can i get them from euro parts or motor factors or is it the dealers ? part number ? , there is slight oil on that area on the conenctor from the filter where the tube comes out

if it is the in tank pump, how much is that to fix ? a new pump ? cost ? or can one be got from a breaker ? and how much labour time roughly ? or would i 1st test if so by filling up the fuel and see if the air dissapears ?
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1) yes, just slacken it.
2) try island 4 x 4
3) secondhand pump is a waste of time as is a Britpart one. Filling the tank may prove the point.
 
island is £60 britpart one ? anywhere else ? , on ebay theres a few varying from £40 to £100+ but they dont state the brand or anything, just quality aftermarket
 
Datatek said:
1) yes, just slacken it.
2) try island 4 x 4
3) secondhand pump is a waste of time as is a Britpart one. Filling the tank may prove the point.
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although im clinging to the hope it has something to do with my fuel filter change, as there was no issue before
 
so where would i get a new pump if thats the case and avoid britpart ? how much is an oem one ? or are there mid range like bosch or something ?

just going to get a new fuel filter now and bleed the pipe, i pray
 
I have a spare new tank pump cost £147 Landrover one ps mine does not pump diesel out when ignition is turned on mine only pumps fuel when engine is turning over ie crank sensor is sending message to feed all else works fine even when low plus I have never heard of a injector cleaner that you pour into a filter ??? Always in diesel tank I bought my spare from famous four good helpfully chaps joe ps if your clutch bite on peddle
Is right at the top or bottom is a sign that your clutch is worn
 
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defender300td1 said:
I have a spare new tank pump cost £147 Landrover one ps mine does not pump diesel out when ignition is turned on mine only pumps fuel when engine is turning over ie crank sensor is sending message to feed all else works fine even when low plus I have never heard of a injector cleaner that you pour into a filter ??? Always in diesel tank I bought my spare from famous four good helpfully chaps joe ps if your clutch bite on peddle
Is right at the top or bottom is a sign that your clutch is worn
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Should be on whilst glow lamp is lit but stop when it goes out. Then whilst being cranked and when engine is running. Nothing to do with crank sensor. Pump relay pull down is powered by starter relay until engine starts then direct from alternator.
 
Well when I was having problems with my fip pump it would only squirt diesel when cranked and still does from the in tank pump when pipe is removed after filter
 
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