Dougal wrote:

> As an aside, Castrol's is another website where the last thing that they
> seem to want you to see is a simple list of their products. Do they want
> to sell anything? EMB must be congratulated for finding the page that
> he did!

I knew the stuff existed at this end of the world (and found it on the
Castrol NZ website straight away) so it was a matter of persevering
until I found where it was hiding on their UK website.


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EMB

beamendsltd wrote:
>
> Indeed - I'll see if they have a wholesaler locally.
>
> Cheers for that.

Failing that, if you have a PBR wholesaler they should sell the PBR
rubber grease in a 150ml tube.

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beamendsltd wrote:

> In message <vhkhj21f91s54e3jqjm2l8cn7pr4vcvu75@4ax.com>
> Austin Shackles <austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net> wrote:
>
>> On or around Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:45:30 +1000, JD
>> <jjd@spamlesstpgi.com.au> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>> >
>> >There are probably a few cars that do use mineral oil for their brake
>> >fluid - I think hydraulic suspension Citroens do for example,
>>
>> some do. LHM = Liquide Hydrolique Minerale. however, some use LHS,
>> which is Synthetique.
>>
>> some of the Rolls-Royce cars have a power braking system using LHM as
>> well, AIUI.
>>
>>
>
> Until the VW takeover they used Citroen systems, practically straight
> out of the box. They flid will indeed destroy "normal" seals in
> minutes - and vice versa.
>
> Richard

Yes - and Rolls Royce changed fluids somewhat later than Citroen. The main
difference between the Rolls Royce and Citroen setup was that Rolls Royce
used coil springs not hydraulic accumulators to provide the actual
springing - did on the Silver Shadow anyway, don't know about after that. I
believe they actually made most of the bits themselves, but paid royalty to
Citroen, and probably bought a few bits from them as well.
JD
(Owned Citroens for thirty years, still have a DSpecial)

"beamendsltd" <beamendsltd@btconnect.com> wrote in message
news:3710aa784e%beamendsltd@btconnect.com...
> In message <t-WdndGl9ZxzaqrYRVnyrA@pipex.net>
> "Greg" <news@SPAM123voyager2.nildram.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I'm just about to have a go at this and the official manual talks about
>> lubricating things with "rubber grease" prior to reassembly, I've never
>> heard of this and wonder if it's readily available or do people use any
>> ordinary grease?.
>> Greg
>>
>>
>
> We used to have a good stock of red rubber grease (aka brake grease)
> but when we went to re-stock the new stuff was labelled "Do't not
> use on rubber components"!
> As yet I'venot found a replacement supplier, as that suupler
> could not promise it would be ok.
>
> Lucas/TRM wheel cylinder kits still come with a little tube.

Got a big tin at work from the autofactors a couple of months ago, I've also
got silicon grease.

On or around Sat, 21 Oct 2006 06:29:50 +1000, JD <jjd@spamlesstpgi.com.au>
enlightened us thusly:

>beamendsltd wrote:
>
>> In message <vhkhj21f91s54e3jqjm2l8cn7pr4vcvu75@4ax.com>
>> Austin Shackles <austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On or around Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:45:30 +1000, JD
>>> <jjd@spamlesstpgi.com.au> enlightened us thusly:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >There are probably a few cars that do use mineral oil for their brake
>>> >fluid - I think hydraulic suspension Citroens do for example,
>>>
>>> some do. LHM = Liquide Hydrolique Minerale. however, some use LHS,
>>> which is Synthetique.
>>>
>>> some of the Rolls-Royce cars have a power braking system using LHM as
>>> well, AIUI.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Until the VW takeover they used Citroen systems, practically straight
>> out of the box. They flid will indeed destroy "normal" seals in
>> minutes - and vice versa.
>>
>> Richard
>
>Yes - and Rolls Royce changed fluids somewhat later than Citroen. The main
>difference between the Rolls Royce and Citroen setup was that Rolls Royce
>used coil springs not hydraulic accumulators to provide the actual
>springing - did on the Silver Shadow anyway, don't know about after that. I
>believe they actually made most of the bits themselves, but paid royalty to
>Citroen, and probably bought a few bits from them as well.
>JD
>(Owned Citroens for thirty years, still have a DSpecial)

Citroen's power braking system was bloody good, IMHO. The cunning
suspension was neat too, of course. I had a couple of BXs and also
occasionally drove a mate's CX.
--
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Soon shall thy arm, unconquered steam! afar Drag the slow barge, or
drive the rapid car; Or on wide-waving wings expanded bear the
flying chariot through the field of air.- Erasmus Darwin (1731-1802)

Austin Shackles wrote:

|| Citroen's power braking system was bloody good, IMHO. The cunning
|| suspension was neat too, of course. I had a couple of BXs and also
|| occasionally drove a mate's CX.

Totally agree. I had a BX (1.7 diesel - the slowest of the lot) and it was
one of the best "cars" I have ever had. Totally reliable and gave 50mpg no
matter what. When it failed its MoT on suspension pipes and spheres I was
happy to pay £600 to put it right, on a car that was worth little more than
that, just to keep it going.

--
Rich
==============================

Take out the obvious to email me.

In message <GPSdnQvenZTpmKTYRVnytw@pipex.net>
"Greg" <news@SPAM123voyager2.nildram.co.uk> wrote:

> "Dougal" <DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> > Lockheed (are they still around?) did a similar thing which they
> > called Rubberlube.
>
> I just got some from my local auto-factors, it's in little sachets about the
> size of a ketchup sachet which I think will be just right for a single job,
> better than having to keep a tub spotlessly clean I would think.
>
> If you're interested Richard it's Delph Rubberlube LPK102T from
> Delphi Lockheed Automotive Ltd
> Warwick
> England.
> http://www.delphiauto.co.uk
>
> Greg
>
>

Can you do me a favour and read the leaflet - Delphi/Lucas was
the one where they couldn't guarantee that it was ok for rubber
- if they are now saying it ok that would be good.

Richard

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"beamendsltd" <beamendsltd@btconnect.com> wrote in message
news:411938794e%beamendsltd@btconnect.com...

> Can you do me a favour and read the leaflet - Delphi/Lucas was
> the one where they couldn't guarantee that it was ok for rubber
> - if they are now saying it ok that would be good.

I just phoned the shop to check and there is no warning leaflet in the box
the sachets came out of, he's confident it's for use on brake calliper seals
etc and they (BL Car Parts in Scarborough) are very well known and trusted
in the area. Googling for it only confirms this, although the maker's web
site is sod all help apart from a phone number.

Incidentally there's no mention of Lucas being involved, it's Delphi
Lockheed, and although I have no idea of the corporate structure I would
choose Lockheed name over Lucas any day .

Greg

Austin Shackles wrote:

> On or around Sat, 21 Oct 2006 06:29:50 +1000, JD <jjd@spamlesstpgi.com.au>
> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>beamendsltd wrote:
>>
>>> In message <vhkhj21f91s54e3jqjm2l8cn7pr4vcvu75@4ax.com>
>>> Austin Shackles <austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On or around Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:45:30 +1000, JD
>>>> <jjd@spamlesstpgi.com.au> enlightened us thusly:
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >There are probably a few cars that do use mineral oil for their brake
>>>> >fluid - I think hydraulic suspension Citroens do for example,
>>>>
>>>> some do. LHM = Liquide Hydrolique Minerale. however, some use LHS,
>>>> which is Synthetique.
>>>>
>>>> some of the Rolls-Royce cars have a power braking system using LHM as
>>>> well, AIUI.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Until the VW takeover they used Citroen systems, practically straight
>>> out of the box. They flid will indeed destroy "normal" seals in
>>> minutes - and vice versa.
>>>
>>> Richard
>>
>>Yes - and Rolls Royce changed fluids somewhat later than Citroen. The main
>>difference between the Rolls Royce and Citroen setup was that Rolls Royce
>>used coil springs not hydraulic accumulators to provide the actual
>>springing - did on the Silver Shadow anyway, don't know about after that.
>>I believe they actually made most of the bits themselves, but paid royalty
>>to Citroen, and probably bought a few bits from them as well.
>>JD
>>(Owned Citroens for thirty years, still have a DSpecial)
>
> Citroen's power braking system was bloody good, IMHO. The cunning
> suspension was neat too, of course. I had a couple of BXs and also
> occasionally drove a mate's CX.

The point is the brakes and suspension are integrated. On the DS at least
the braking force is distributed front to rear according to the
instantaneous weight on the front and rear wheels; the brake pedal has zero
movement and is closer to the floor than the accelerator; and you have
about thirty applications of the brakes after the engine stops. Add inboard
front brakes, centreline steering - and then remember this is a 1955
design!
JD

In message <BsOdnU8thqJ_a6TYRVnytQ@pipex.net>
"Greg" <news@SPAM123voyager2.nildram.co.uk> wrote:

> "beamendsltd" <beamendsltd@btconnect.com> wrote in message
> news:411938794e%beamendsltd@btconnect.com...
>
> > Can you do me a favour and read the leaflet - Delphi/Lucas was
> > the one where they couldn't guarantee that it was ok for rubber
> > - if they are now saying it ok that would be good.
>
> I just phoned the shop to check and there is no warning leaflet in the box
> the sachets came out of, he's confident it's for use on brake calliper seals
> etc and they (BL Car Parts in Scarborough) are very well known and trusted
> in the area. Googling for it only confirms this, although the maker's web
> site is sod all help apart from a phone number.
>
> Incidentally there's no mention of Lucas being involved, it's Delphi
> Lockheed, and although I have no idea of the corporate structure I would
> choose Lockheed name over Lucas any day .
>
> Greg
>
>

Thanks for that.

Lockheed was part of Lucas, the brake and diesels disivsions (and
some other bits) being bought by Delphi when TRW realised they
had overstertched themselves buying Lucas.

Lucas had always maintianed the Lockheed name, as they did with
many of their divsions, though in later years the idea of
Lucas-Rists, Lucas-Diesels (nee Lucas-CAV) etc crept it. I don't
think many people realise just how big Lucas was - it was
in the top 6 global automotive (and aerospace) suppliers.
It was broken up and sold off for tuppence halfpenny to keep
a couple of London pension fund mangers bonues up.

Lockheed stuff is slowly being re-branded as Delphi, i.e the
word "Lockheed" is getting smaller, while "Delphi" is getting
bigger. Delphi is the aftermarket name for General Motors,
or one of the big American names, I can never remember which.

Oddly, TRW started dual-branding Lucas stuff (they largely ended up
with the electrical stuff - less Marelli) with the green Lucas
name and red TRW name making the boxes look like Christmas
decorations, but now seem to have reverted fully to the Lucas
name - touting themselves as as a one-stop shop for the trade.

Richard
--
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www.radioparadise.com - Good Music, No Vine
Lib Dems - Townies keeping comedy alive

beamendsltd wrote:
> In message <BsOdnU8thqJ_a6TYRVnytQ@pipex.net>
> "Greg" <news@SPAM123voyager2.nildram.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>"beamendsltd" <beamendsltd@btconnect.com> wrote in message
>>news:411938794e%beamendsltd@btconnect.com...
>>
>>
>>>Can you do me a favour and read the leaflet - Delphi/Lucas was
>>>the one where they couldn't guarantee that it was ok for rubber
>>>- if they are now saying it ok that would be good.
>>
>>I just phoned the shop to check and there is no warning leaflet in the box
>>the sachets came out of, he's confident it's for use on brake calliper seals
>>etc and they (BL Car Parts in Scarborough) are very well known and trusted
>>in the area. Googling for it only confirms this, although the maker's web
>>site is sod all help apart from a phone number.
>>
>>Incidentally there's no mention of Lucas being involved, it's Delphi
>>Lockheed, and although I have no idea of the corporate structure I would
>>choose Lockheed name over Lucas any day .
>>
>>Greg
>>
>>
>
>
> Thanks for that.
>
> Lockheed was part of Lucas, the brake and diesels disivsions (and
> some other bits) being bought by Delphi when TRW realised they
> had overstertched themselves buying Lucas.
>
> Lucas had always maintianed the Lockheed name, as they did with
> many of their divsions, though in later years the idea of
> Lucas-Rists, Lucas-Diesels (nee Lucas-CAV) etc crept it. I don't
> think many people realise just how big Lucas was - it was
> in the top 6 global automotive (and aerospace) suppliers.
> It was broken up and sold off for tuppence halfpenny to keep
> a couple of London pension fund mangers bonues up.
>
> Lockheed stuff is slowly being re-branded as Delphi, i.e the
> word "Lockheed" is getting smaller, while "Delphi" is getting
> bigger. Delphi is the aftermarket name for General Motors,
> or one of the big American names, I can never remember which.
>
> Oddly, TRW started dual-branding Lucas stuff (they largely ended up
> with the electrical stuff - less Marelli) with the green Lucas
> name and red TRW name making the boxes look like Christmas
> decorations, but now seem to have reverted fully to the Lucas
> name - touting themselves as as a one-stop shop for the trade.
>
> Richard

Richard - e-mail with pics is on the way.

beamendsltd wrote:

> Lockheed stuff is slowly being re-branded as Delphi, i.e the
> word "Lockheed" is getting smaller, while "Delphi" is getting
> bigger. Delphi is the aftermarket name for General Motors,
> or one of the big American names, I can never remember which.


AC Delco is the GM aftermarket brand.

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EMB