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Completely off-topic I know, but does anyone know of a good font with
loads of fractions in it?

I'm looking for obscure ones like 9/16 and 3/32 :)

Any suggestions would be welcomed.

Regards
Steve G
 
On or around Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:03:22 GMT, SteveG <spam@spam.co.uk>
enlightened us thusly:

>Completely off-topic I know, but does anyone know of a good font with
>loads of fractions in it?
>
>I'm looking for obscure ones like 9/16 and 3/32 :)
>


do you just want 'em for printing purposes? anything else will not work
elsewhere unless you make it into a PDF and embed the font, say.

meanwhile... I tend just to assemble 'em from superscript and subscript
letters.

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On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:58:24 +0100, Austin Shackles
<austin@ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

>On or around Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:03:22 GMT, SteveG <spam@spam.co.uk>
>enlightened us thusly:
>
>>Completely off-topic I know, but does anyone know of a good font with
>>loads of fractions in it?
>>
>>I'm looking for obscure ones like 9/16 and 3/32 :)
>>

>
>do you just want 'em for printing purposes? anything else will not work
>elsewhere unless you make it into a PDF and embed the font, say.
>
>meanwhile... I tend just to assemble 'em from superscript and subscript
>letters.


Hi Austin, I'm writing a technical manual which has loads of Imperial
measurements expressed in fractions. This will, eventually, be
converted into a pdf file for proof reading and a pps file for
professional printing.

I've tried using sub & super script but it doesn't give the desired
look. I'm trying to achieve something like this -

9
----
16

- where the numbers are directly above and below the dividing line,
rather than slightly off to either side. With some combinations of
sub/super script creations the pdf conversion goes a bit haywire too.

My client is paying a lot of money to have this manual written and I
want to give him the best result that I can.

Regards
Steve G
 
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SteveG <spam@spam.co.uk> expelled:
> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:58:24 +0100, Austin Shackles
> <austin@ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On or around Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:03:22 GMT, SteveG <spam@spam.co.uk>
>> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>> Completely off-topic I know, but does anyone know of a good font
>>> with loads of fractions in it?
>>>
>>> I'm looking for obscure ones like 9/16 and 3/32 :)
>>>

>>
>> do you just want 'em for printing purposes? anything else will not
>> work elsewhere unless you make it into a PDF and embed the font, say.
>>
>> meanwhile... I tend just to assemble 'em from superscript and
>> subscript letters.

>
> Hi Austin, I'm writing a technical manual which has loads of Imperial
> measurements expressed in fractions. This will, eventually, be
> converted into a pdf file for proof reading and a pps file for
> professional printing.
>
> I've tried using sub & super script but it doesn't give the desired
> look. I'm trying to achieve something like this -
>
> 9
> ----
> 16
>
> - where the numbers are directly above and below the dividing line,
> rather than slightly off to either side. With some combinations of
> sub/super script creations the pdf conversion goes a bit haywire too.
>
> My client is paying a lot of money to have this manual written and I
> want to give him the best result that I can.
>
> Regards
> Steve G


Adobe do a Helv Fractions font that should be what you want - google for it.

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"SteveG" <spam@spam.co.uk> wrote in message
news:nvm3e0h4pnnd0hbo69r75hq6909395hb2e@4ax.com
> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:58:24 +0100, Austin Shackles
> <austin@ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On or around Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:03:22 GMT, SteveG <spam@spam.co.uk>
>> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>> Completely off-topic I know, but does anyone know of a good font
>>> with loads of fractions in it?
>>>
>>> I'm looking for obscure ones like 9/16 and 3/32 :)
>>>

>>
>> do you just want 'em for printing purposes? anything else will not
>> work elsewhere unless you make it into a PDF and embed the font, say.
>>
>> meanwhile... I tend just to assemble 'em from superscript and
>> subscript letters.

>
> Hi Austin, I'm writing a technical manual which has loads of Imperial
> measurements expressed in fractions. This will, eventually, be
> converted into a pdf file for proof reading and a pps file for
> professional printing.
>
> I've tried using sub & super script but it doesn't give the desired
> look. I'm trying to achieve something like this -
>
> 9
> ----
> 16
>
> - where the numbers are directly above and below the dividing line,
> rather than slightly off to either side. With some combinations of
> sub/super script creations the pdf conversion goes a bit haywire too.
>
> My client is paying a lot of money to have this manual written and I
> want to give him the best result that I can.


What software are you using to create it?

Without knowing more about your software I'd make a guess as using a text
box. The top number is underlined, the bottom one isn't and both are
centre-justified within the text box.
The text box should then be placeable just like any other document element.

Alternatively, if you're only using a few fractions or the same one many
times, create a GIF/TIFF and use that instead.

There may even be an 'insert formula' facility. In Microsoft Word you should
be able INSERT -> OBJECT -> Microsoft Equation

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On or around Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:24:08 GMT, SteveG <spam@spam.co.uk>
enlightened us thusly:

>
>I've tried using sub & super script but it doesn't give the desired
>look. I'm trying to achieve something like this -
>
> 9
>----
>16
>
>- where the numbers are directly above and below the dividing line,
>rather than slightly off to either side. With some combinations of
>sub/super script creations the pdf conversion goes a bit haywire too.


I've a font editor, I could have a go... which font are you intending to
use?

most fractions tend to be slanty, though...¼, ½, ¾ are in standard fonts and
mostly come out slanty - I think it's mainly to do with getting in to a
standard l-height and not having 'em using the bit below the line, yet
making larger actual numbers. If you look at old books with
vertically-contructed fractions, they tend to use the space that the g-type
characters use as well, making the fraction taller than the normal l-height.
If you don't do that, you'd have trouble reading them in smaller sizes.

It'd be possible to make the font with extra glyphs, and map them to various
of the accented characters, say. You'd lose the other characters, mind -
Windows things only tend to have 255 characters readily accessible, unless
you can persuade it to look at all the unicode ones. I think a modified
font is the way I'd go, were I doing such a thing, and presuming it could be
embedded successfully.
--
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"The breezy call of incense-breathing Morn, The swallow twittering
from the strawbuilt shed, The cock's shrill clarion, or the echoing
horn, No more shall rouse them from their lowly bed."
Thomas Gray, Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard.
 
SteveG wrote:
>
> Hi Austin, I'm writing a technical manual which has loads of Imperial
> measurements expressed in fractions. This will, eventually, be
> converted into a pdf file for proof reading and a pps file for
> professional printing.


Are there more complex sums in it, or just fractions ? - I always use
MathCad for maths intensive work - it looks very pretty and the maths is
"live" too. All the correct integral signs, decent graphs, the works.

Steve
 
SteveG wrote:

> Completely off-topic I know, but does anyone know of a good font with
> loads of fractions in it?
>
> I'm looking for obscure ones like 9/16 and 3/32 :)
>
> Any suggestions would be welcomed.
>
> Regards
> Steve G

Just a suggestion - the equation editor in MS Word or Open Office.
JD
 
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"SteveG" wrote:

> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:58:24 +0100, Austin Shackles
> <austin@ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >On or around Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:03:22 GMT, SteveG <spam@spam.co.uk>
> >enlightened us thusly:
> >
> >>Completely off-topic I know, but does anyone know of a good font with
> >>loads of fractions in it?
> >>
> >>I'm looking for obscure ones like 9/16 and 3/32 :)
> >>

> >
> >do you just want 'em for printing purposes? anything else will not work
> >elsewhere unless you make it into a PDF and embed the font, say.
> >
> >meanwhile... I tend just to assemble 'em from superscript and subscript
> >letters.

>
> Hi Austin, I'm writing a technical manual which has loads of Imperial
> measurements expressed in fractions. This will, eventually, be
> converted into a pdf file for proof reading and a pps file for
> professional printing.
>
> I've tried using sub & super script but it doesn't give the desired
> look. I'm trying to achieve something like this -
>
> 9
> ----
> 16
>
> - where the numbers are directly above and below the dividing line,
> rather than slightly off to either side. With some combinations of
> sub/super script creations the pdf conversion goes a bit haywire too.
>
> My client is paying a lot of money to have this manual written and I
> want to give him the best result that I can.


This is a known DTP problem, and you may need page-layout software,
rather than a Word Processor. I don't think it has to be graphical,
even... But have you looked in your software for anything like an
equation editor?

For the PDF equation, you may have to produce an intermediate file in
Postscript. In my limited experience that can work around some direct-
to-PDF glitches.

--
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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:32:11 +1200, "EMB" <embtwo@ihug.co.nz> wrote:


>
>Adobe do a Helv Fractions font that should be what you want - google for it.


Thanks for that ... I'll have a look see :)

Regards
Steve G
 
On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 02:07:38 +0100, "PDannyD"
<dan1970.nomeatproductsplease@nocannedmeat.scenicplace.freeserve.co.uk>
wrote:


>
>What software are you using to create it?
>

SG: Quark Express - not my choice ... the client's ;-(

>Without knowing more about your software I'd make a guess as using a text
>box. The top number is underlined, the bottom one isn't and both are
>centre-justified within the text box.
>The text box should then be placeable just like any other document element.
>
>Alternatively, if you're only using a few fractions or the same one many
>times, create a GIF/TIFF and use that instead.
>
>There may even be an 'insert formula' facility. In Microsoft Word you should
>be able INSERT -> OBJECT -> Microsoft Equation


SG: If that exists in QE I haven't found it yet, but I'm learning the
software as I go along.

Cheers for the help ;-)

Regards
Steve G
 
On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:51:27 +0100, Austin Shackles
<austin@ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:


>
>I've a font editor, I could have a go... which font are you intending to
>use?
>

SG: I've just downloaded a font editor but not tried it yet. I'll have
to make time tonight.

>most fractions tend to be slanty, though...¼, ½, ¾ are in standard fonts and
>mostly come out slanty - I think it's mainly to do with getting in to a
>standard l-height and not having 'em using the bit below the line, yet
>making larger actual numbers. If you look at old books with
>vertically-contructed fractions, they tend to use the space that the g-type
>characters use as well, making the fraction taller than the normal l-height.
>If you don't do that, you'd have trouble reading them in smaller sizes.
>


SG: Hmmmm, hadn't actually thought about that. It might be an
arguement I can use with my client to get away from the upright
format.

>It'd be possible to make the font with extra glyphs, and map them to various
>of the accented characters, say. You'd lose the other characters, mind -
>Windows things only tend to have 255 characters readily accessible, unless
>you can persuade it to look at all the unicode ones. I think a modified
>font is the way I'd go, were I doing such a thing, and presuming it could be
>embedded successfully.


SG: You lost me :)

Regards
Steve G
 
On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 11:03:08 +0100, Steve Taylor
<steve@ravenfield.com> wrote:

>SteveG wrote:
>>
>> Hi Austin, I'm writing a technical manual which has loads of Imperial
>> measurements expressed in fractions. This will, eventually, be
>> converted into a pdf file for proof reading and a pps file for
>> professional printing.

>
>Are there more complex sums in it, or just fractions ? - I always use
>MathCad for maths intensive work - it looks very pretty and the maths is
>"live" too. All the correct integral signs, decent graphs, the works.
>
>Steve


There aren't any sums involved just the use of fractions when
specifying sizes. I've tried to convince the client to decimalise the
fractions (i.e. 1.250 instead of 1 1/4) but he won't agree.

Don't you just love clients that think they know best?

Regards
Steve G
 
On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 13:05:51 +0100 (BST), dbell@zhochaka.demon.co.uk
("David G. Bell") wrote:


>This is a known DTP problem, and you may need page-layout software,
>rather than a Word Processor. I don't think it has to be graphical,
>even... But have you looked in your software for anything like an
>equation editor?


SG: As reported above I'm using Quark Express - very graphical!

>
>For the PDF equation, you may have to produce an intermediate file in
>Postscript. In my limited experience that can work around some direct-
>to-PDF glitches.


SG: I think that's worth a try.

Regards
Steve G
 
On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:54:27 +1000, JD <jjd@SPAMLESS.com.au> wrote:

>SteveG wrote:
>
>> Completely off-topic I know, but does anyone know of a good font with
>> loads of fractions in it?
>>
>> I'm looking for obscure ones like 9/16 and 3/32 :)
>>
>> Any suggestions would be welcomed.
>>
>> Regards
>> Steve G

>Just a suggestion - the equation editor in MS Word or Open Office.
>JD


Not using MS anything on this job :))

Regards
Steve G
 
On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:03:22 GMT, SteveG <spam@spam.co.uk> wrote:

>Completely off-topic I know, but does anyone know of a good font with
>loads of fractions in it?
>
>I'm looking for obscure ones like 9/16 and 3/32 :)
>
>Any suggestions would be welcomed.
>
>Regards
>Steve G


Just a word of thanks to everyone that's suggested solutions, it's
much appreciated :))

Regards
Steve G
 
SteveG wrote:

> On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:54:27 +1000, JD <jjd@SPAMLESS.com.au> wrote:
>
>>SteveG wrote:
>>
>>> Completely off-topic I know, but does anyone know of a good font with
>>> loads of fractions in it?
>>>
>>> I'm looking for obscure ones like 9/16 and 3/32 :)
>>>
>>> Any suggestions would be welcomed.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Steve G

>>Just a suggestion - the equation editor in MS Word or Open Office.
>>JD

>
> Not using MS anything on this job :))
>
> Regards
> Steve G

That's why I suggested using Open Office - far be it from me to reccommend
MS anything! But a lot of people do.
JD
 
On or around Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:24:01 GMT, SteveG <spam@spam.co.uk>
enlightened us thusly:

>On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:51:27 +0100, Austin Shackles
><austin@ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>It'd be possible to make the font with extra glyphs, and map them to various
>>of the accented characters, say. You'd lose the other characters, mind -
>>Windows things only tend to have 255 characters readily accessible, unless
>>you can persuade it to look at all the unicode ones. I think a modified
>>font is the way I'd go, were I doing such a thing, and presuming it could be
>>embedded successfully.

>
>SG: You lost me :)


several points in one, really:

1) if you use na unusual font, and send the resultant document somewhere
else, it'll not display/print properly unless the somewhere else has the
same font installed;
2) if you look using a font editor at (e.g.) a recent release of Times New
Roman, you'll find there are thousands of characters. Windows software,
however, typically only uses 8 bit values and thus has 255 characters
readily available. If you used some other software which could do unicode
characters, say, then you could probably access the other stuff. Mind, I've
not looked to see if there're fractions in it;
3) you can overcome 1) by creating a PDF file of your output, and embedding
the font in the file. This should allow of the file being viewed and
printed as you intended on any machine capable of viewing and printing PDF
files.

didn't you say that the intended output was PDF?

if you have no joy, get back to me and I'll have a go at a
font-with-fractions.

If you want a copy of the font editor I use, let me know - it's shareware.

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(confound the men who have made our remarks before us.)
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SteveG wrote:
>
> Hi Austin, I'm writing a technical manual which has loads of Imperial
> measurements expressed in fractions. This will, eventually, be
> converted into a pdf file for proof reading and a pps file for
> professional printing.


Are there more complex sums in it, or just fractions ? - I always use
MathCad for maths intensive work - it looks very pretty and the maths is
"live" too. All the correct integral signs, decent graphs, the works.

Steve
 
On or around Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:03:22 GMT, SteveG <spam@spam.co.uk>
enlightened us thusly:

>Completely off-topic I know, but does anyone know of a good font with
>loads of fractions in it?
>
>I'm looking for obscure ones like 9/16 and 3/32 :)
>


do you just want 'em for printing purposes? anything else will not work
elsewhere unless you make it into a PDF and embed the font, say.

meanwhile... I tend just to assemble 'em from superscript and subscript
letters.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
Satisfying: Satisfy your inner child by eating ten tubes of Smarties
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
 

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