Maybe, James - but that is Landyzone - you either have to join in with the puerile childish banter and **** take, or bog off somewhere else. LZ has been like it for years and it is what makes LZ what it is. You either hate it or love it (and occasionally just put up with it). Personally, providing it doesnt get to be a witch hunt, I think it is worth it for all the invaluable help and advice. You have to be part of it, I am afraid.