htr · Feb 17, 2016

I've been enquiring with the makers of Scangauge and was considering fitting one to my '98 FL1 with the K series 1.8 motor. They promptly replied to my query:
" Unfortunately, the ScanGauge is not compatible with your vehicle. Australia and New Zealand did not require the OBDII standard until 2006. The vehicle must be OBDII compliant in order to work with the ScanGauge. Please let me know if you have any questions."

Does that mean that home market FL [UK ones] have that OBDII socket and thus Scangauge capability?

Skinny Mike · Feb 17, 2016

From when I looked into one of these for my TD4, most functions will not work, unless the car is 2004 year onwards. Some report the mpg works but not alot else. This is because the obd was not standardised until then. I bought a cheap blue tooth obd sender from Amazon for £7 and use the torque app on my phone with some functions working. Best try this first or you might waste your £90. Mike

pscan.eu · Feb 17, 2016

In Europe the early K series has a MEMS1.9 ECU which is not EOBD compliant. Later ones had a MEMS3 which is EOBD compliant.

The TD4 is sometimes partially compliant, but the MEMS1.9 will not work with an EOBD/OBD2 tool at all, it won't even connect; neither will the L-Series (Di, XDi, XEDi).

wammers · Feb 17, 2016

All vehicles used in Europe must be OBDII compliant after certain years. Petrol from 2001 diesel from 2004. This is for engine diagnostics only, other manufacturer specific diagnostics may not be readable.

Skinny Mike · Feb 17, 2016

pscan.eu said:
In Europe the early K series has a MEMS1.9 ECU which is not EOBD compliant. Later ones had a MEMS3 which is EOBD compliant.

The TD4 is sometimes partially compliant, but the MEMS1.9 will not work with an EOBD/OBD2 tool at all, it won't even connect; neither will the L-Series (Di, XDi, XEDi).

Nice one.

pscan.eu · Feb 17, 2016

wammers said:
All vehicles used in Europe must be OBDII compliant after certain years. Petrol from 2001 diesel from 2004. This is for engine diagnostics only, other manufacturer specific diagnostics may not be readable.

I think that the legal requirement is actually emissions data only. Quite a lot of manufacturers will give only a subset of engine data and codes to an EOBD tool and far more codes and data to a tool that is connecting in manufacturer proprietary mode. With some ECUs you can have an engine that will not even start and yet will not deliver any codes to an EOBD tool at all. When you use a tool that logs in in manufacturer mode you then find that some vital sensor is dead, but as it is not an "emissions" fault they don't have to report it.

wammers · Feb 17, 2016

pscan.eu said:
I think that the legal requirement is actually emissions data only. Quite a lot of manufacturers will give only a subset of engine data and codes to an EOBD tool and far more codes and data to tool that is connecting in manufacturer proprietary mode. With some ECUs you can have an engine that will not even start and yet will not deliver any codes to an EOBD tool at all. When you use a tool that logs in in manufacturer mode you then find that some vital sensor is dead, but as it is not an "emissions" fault they don't have to report it.

Not sure about that, but certainly some vehicles have more readable data than others.

pscan.eu · Feb 17, 2016

as an example, this is a MEM3 in EOBD mode (and it is a fully EOBD compliant ECU):-

This is the same ECU in MG Rover mode:-

wammers · Feb 17, 2016

Well yes, cheap generic OBDII readers will only show basic functions. More expensive ones that hold or can be programmed with different vehicle data will do more. But most cheap a cheerful stuff will not have that function.

Nodge68 · Feb 17, 2016

I find the temperature readings interesting on this. Apparently the engine is breathing air that is at absolute zero (-273°C) but the ambient temperature is 139°C!!
Odd

pscan.eu · Feb 17, 2016

That's what happens when you power up an ECU on the bench with no actual car (or sensors) attached to it. I should probably get some better screenshots....

Nodge68 · Feb 17, 2016

pscan.eu said:
That's what happens when you power up an ECU on the bench with no actual car (or sensors) attached to it. I should probably get some better screenshots....

That would explain it. Cheers.
There is a glitch on lots of OBD2 devices that often flags up -40 on inlet air temperature. I've seen it a few times on different vehicles with different diagnostic equipment. I've even see -40 on Torque using a Bluetooth ELM327.
Good work on your device so far.

GrumpyGel · Feb 18, 2016

pscan.eu said:
That's what happens when you power up an ECU on the bench with no actual car (or sensors) attached to it. I should probably get some better screenshots....

If you supply me with a device, I'll test it on L Series and get some great screen shots and action images for you - and throw in some video

pscan.eu · Feb 18, 2016

I'm sure you would

. My understanding of the rules of this forum is that discussing the capabilities of the diagnostic protocols of a Freelander is allowed (such as discussing what is EOBD compliant and what isn't etc), but selling and doing deals isn't; so I'm afraid I can't discuss it here.

Nodge68 · Feb 18, 2016

I'm sure many members are interested in the abilities of various diagnostic equipment out there. Like me, would likely weigh up which is best and take the necessary steps in obtaining said device.

Gogadget · Feb 18, 2016

Hi I have a td4 04 plate. Looking at i930 or lr2 readers what's the best one for the job and will it read codes from other cars Cheers

GrumpyGel · Feb 18, 2016

pscan.eu said:
I'm sure you would . My understanding of the rules of this forum is that discussing the capabilities of the diagnostic protocols of a Freelander is allowed (such as discussing what is EOBD compliant and what isn't etc), but selling and doing deals isn't; so I'm afraid I can't discuss it here.

I await your PM to discuss our marketing/R&D hook up then

Nodge68 said:
I'm sure many members are interested in the abilities of various diagnostic equipment out there. Like me, would likely weigh up which is best and take the necessary steps in obtaining said device.

Yes, members tend to trust the suppliers that sponsor or participate with info on the forum, such as Austen at Bells.

I suppose as well there are suppliers who come on here and do us the service of letting us know we should not deal with them! Such as LandRoverCity who are more interested in legal actions that Land Rovers!

Gogadget said:
Hi I have a td4 04 plate. Looking at i930 or lr2 readers what's the best one for the job and will it read codes from other cars Cheers

I'm sure if you search the forum for i930 it'll return you lots of info. In those threads there's lots of comparisons to other devices.

Gogadget · Feb 18, 2016

Cheers grumpy gel had a read through think might go with i930 because it states does other cars as well.
Many thanks

Nodge68 · Feb 19, 2016

The I930 (LR and Jaguar) is a multi systems code reader/ eraser, nothing more. It isn't as fully functioned as something like the Hawkeye. But as a basic code reader, it's ok. Mine did tell me that the EGR valve is blanked which is more info than an ELM327 gives using Torque.

Gogadget · Feb 19, 2016

Cheers nodge also had a look at thr lr2 but more car specific

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