300bhp/ton said:

Not sure how you managed to snap a KERR, was it underrated or just in bad condition or wrapped around something sharp?

Anyhow, they are still much safer for snatch recovery. Using a normal rope is dangerous, as you are far more likely to pull a recovery point off a vehicle, cause damage or even cause whiplash to the person you are pulling out.

The Kinetic staps/strops are ok but are usually only rated for 10 pulls before they no longer stretch. A rope will keep working fine until it becomes frayed.

Good vid here:



As for your example pics. It looks ok, but technically wouldn't be type approved for towing on the road. And does have multiple points of failure if being really brutal for snatch recovery.

If you have a non-Td5 chassis, i.e. no fuel tank at the back. Then bolting through the rear crossmember with a large spreader plate is a proven solution. It is also the standard way of fixing a recovery point to a Team Recovery vehicle. This is an event at Whaddon last year:




BTW - as you are local to me. Have you ever consider trials events? Pay & Play is ok, but a bit limited as you can drive where you like and take as many goes as possible. Trialing requires you to read the ground a lot more and refine your driving, which can make it a lot more challenging/exciting. We have an event at Whaddon in November.
https://www.cvlrc.co.uk/

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300bhp/ton said:

Thanks. I think they are sort of saying the same thing. Basically the way the strap extends, you can stretch it fully out. And at which point it is no longer acting as a kinetic device. How quickly this will happen would likely depend on the rating of the strap, the weight of the vehicles involved and how hard you have accelerated/snatched.

If over time they contract and become usable again, that is great. But I guess that might depend on many things also. The biggest benefit of the strap is they take up less room. If you have space for a KERR (kinetic rope), then they are probably the more versatile and reliable snatch device. Or carry both if you have plenty of space.

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300bhp/ton said:

Not sure how you managed to snap a KERR, was it underrated or just in bad condition or wrapped around something sharp?

Anyhow, they are still much safer for snatch recovery. Using a normal rope is dangerous, as you are far more likely to pull a recovery point off a vehicle, cause damage or even cause whiplash to the person you are pulling out.

The Kinetic staps/strops are ok but are usually only rated for 10 pulls before they no longer stretch. A rope will keep working fine until it becomes frayed.

Good vid here:



As for your example pics. It looks ok, but technically wouldn't be type approved for towing on the road. And does have multiple points of failure if being really brutal for snatch recovery.

If you have a non-Td5 chassis, i.e. no fuel tank at the back. Then bolting through the rear crossmember with a large spreader plate is a proven solution. It is also the standard way of fixing a recovery point to a Team Recovery vehicle. This is an event at Whaddon last year:




BTW - as you are local to me. Have you ever consider trials events? Pay & Play is ok, but a bit limited as you can drive where you like and take as many goes as possible. Trialing requires you to read the ground a lot more and refine your driving, which can make it a lot more challenging/exciting. We have an event at Whaddon in November.
https://www.cvlrc.co.uk/

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neilly said:

Thanks, in one of his earlier vids Matt (OZ) states the ARB strap has a tick box to mark off the qty of snatches up to 10. All seems too much like guess work. Having watched a few of the Matt ( US ) recovery youtubes , the ropes seem a bit more forgiving.

I had already broken earlier this afternoon and ordered a 24mm x 8m 28000Lbs KERR. Will see how that works.

Cheers

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ChrisBduck said:

Also Whaddon don't have pay and plays days now unless you're in a club with insurance and I'm only a few miles away so would be nice to get back

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300bhp/ton said:

You'd probably enjoy some trialling then.

Chiltern Vale Land Rover Club (CVLRC) has been around for quite a while. My Uncle and father were founding members of the club. And I'm currently club scrutineer. The trails events are easy going, fun and plenty of seat time. If you haven't trailed before. The aim is to drive a course (marked out with canes, a pair of canes is known as a 'gate'). Starting at the 12 gate and you want to get to the 1 gate for an ideal 'clear' (0) score. You can't stop, reverse or hit any canes. So you have to read the terrain and think about were you are going. It proves to be quite a challenge.

We use a number of sites around the area. Also by joining the club you become a member of the ALRC (Association of Land Rover Clubs), which is one of the largest car clubs in the country. Membership means you will be eligible to enter events from other member clubs across the country. There are about 50 other ALRC clubs, so could open you up to being able to compete 2 or 3 times a month if you wanted too. The ALRC also runs longer weekend events during the year (well a normal non-covid year...).

Feel free to give me a shout if you fancy coming along and having a go at any point. CVLRC we normally run between 8 and 12 events a year depending on exact circumstances.

As trials are regulated by the Motorsport UK, there are some rules you need to adhere too. But these are mostly safety related. Basically all you need are suitable recovery points to compete. And we have classes to suit standard to extremely modified vehicles.

Here is an example of some RTV (Road Txed Vehicle) trials. There is also more extreme CCV trials, although you'd need an approved cage for these.

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