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mbrokof

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Hi All,

When I bought my Fl1 td4 i had 4 summer tyres same manufacturer, size etc on it. For winter i bought 4 bridgestone blizzak lm80 and all worked fine. Now i need new summers and was wondering if ie the conti cross contact 4x4 uhp in 215/65/16/102h would be ok or if could change ie to 225? Which ones could I fit or should I stick now 215 as the old summers before and winter tyres?

Should I then fit all four same time or two/ two would be ok? I read a couple of threads with the impact of the Tyres to the ird so I am not sure what to buy.

Regards
Matthias
 
you can use all weather tyres also in Germany but it is said that that there is still a difference in between summer/winter and all condition tyres as the material reacts different. I am also thinking if I shouldn't change to all conditions but now that I have the one set and last year the winter was pretty rough in Germany when I bought them. It probably all is about selling more tyres but security might be also a bit of it. In Berlin you have -15 or so sometimes in winter as in Bavaria and in the centre you can have the same. I don't know if they react different then but is not about goverment rules but insurance company's policies I think are different and worse. Anyway who can give bit of advice on it. Handbook sound to me if change then all 4 should be same. 'Warning ALWAYS use the same make and type of radial-ply tyres front and rear. DO NOT use cross-ply tyres, or interchange tyres from front to rear.'
 
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teddywood1 said:
so why not have a tyre that says on it s/m and do as a summer tyre as well like Michelin latitudes ?
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I haven't seen many S/M tyres on the roads myself, int they used for sumit else? :D

My AT's are M&S...in fact most are.
 
I had winter tyres for my Yeti and put them on the Freelander for the winter. I am now getting rid of them as they are slightly undersized and one of the tyres had a chunk missing from the side wall.

The winter tyres are brilliant in the cold damp conditions we had over the winter months. They are also great on ice and snow. I have only used them down to -14C. I have also used them up to 25C. They are okay in summer, but as the compound is more flexible, I prefer the feel of summer tyres or even AT tyres in the warmer weather.

Winter tyres are at their best when the temp drops below 7C. They maintain their flexibility and you get less wear and wheelspin with them.

I will get another set for next winter I expect.

I found it cheaper to use 2 sets of wheels and tyres, as summer tyres wear out much faster in the winter. My winter tyres have done about 26,000 miles and the are now down to about 5.5mm. So they would last another winter or two. You replace winter tyres at 4mm.

If you hadn't noticed, I'm a convert.

My General Grabber UHP tyres I have on now are much noisier.
 
Hi Epicuser,

Good to know that at least One is here using summer and tyres. My wife tried to talk me into the all conditions already:), but I prefer the others as I think it makes sense. With all conditions you have neither nor for winter or summer.

I agree winter tyres for the cold, in snow and on ice, but had them also good on aqua planing, when I was driving through France at night. With the max trek or what they are called (never heard of them before) I think I might not have handled to get out w/o a problem. The 7 degrees though are the road temp not the air temp I was told and I sometimes feel it bit difficult to know when that is the time.

I must admit I can get the point from essexpestcontrol as I think the tyres here are more expensive than in Germany. Even with shipping from where I usually buy my ones what I found in Google a.m. Conti's would be cheaper.

A question came when ordering the tyres was about the load index (not sure about translation from German) if 98 would be ok, that was on the ones I bought em with. That's 750kg per tyre I understand and should be ok. The gross weight is 2080 and I understood the load to be in the v5c but couldn't find it in the handbook either.

Kind regards
Matthias
 
I think you can get away with 225 but what ever you do make sure that you have all 4 the same size. If you search you should find a few members that went bigger tyres on 16 wheels :)
 
yes I think I read about the sizes but I think that is to much for me :). How can I find what the load index is? Anyone knows where I can find that?
 
load index will be written on the side wall of the tyre, summat like 98 or 104 with a letter after it (SPEED RATING) eg. 104Q
 
Yes but than you be only able to determine it with the old tyre. Nothing from LR or the v5c available somewhere? I thought it would have been written down somewhere???
 
Thanks didn't know you can search here :D. Sorry, wasn't sure in the beginning about the translation if it be correct as I couldn't find it on my translator resp. had a couple of different ones. Thanks a lot for your help will read through.
 
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essexpestcontrol said:
Im amazed that people can afford to change tyres twice a year, mine gets AT's whatever the weather
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Just wonder what peoples thoughts were on this........ I run 225 50 r17 's for summer/autumn and long motorway journeys, but during the winter I run on 225 75 r16 Mud terrains to cope with the off road conditions on the local shoots. I have heard say that Mud terrains can lead to drive train problems, any thoughts??
 
SES88 said:
I haven't seen many S/M tyres on the roads myself, int they used for sumit else? :D

My AT's are M&S...in fact most are.
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There is confusion around the terminology here - the M+S symbol indicates that a tyre has a winter tread pattern, but actually most countries where the fitting of winter tyres is a legal requirement actually mean snow tyres, which have a snowflake symbol on the side wall. These have a winter tread pattern (often with siping) and are a different rubber compound which makes them prone to premature wear in summer temperatures. But on snow and ice the difference between a snow tyre and a M&S tread tyre is significant.
 
Tannaton said:
There is confusion around the terminology here - the M+S symbol indicates that a tyre has a winter tread pattern, but actually most countries where the fitting of winter tyres is a legal requirement actually mean snow tyres, which have a snowflake symbol on the side wall. These have a winter tread pattern (often with siping) and are a different rubber compound which makes them prone to premature wear in summer temperatures. But on snow and ice the difference between a snow tyre and a M&S tread tyre is significant.
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Does the M+S not mean Mud and Snow, or am I thinking wrong?
 
Thor1950 said:
yes you are correct......... mud and snow. and that qualifies as snow tyres
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The "M&S" or "Mud and Snow" markings are arbitrarily used my manufacturers and on their own generally only mean that the ratio of tread to surface contact ratio is higher and more suitable for rain/snow/mud. There is no performance criteria to meet. Winter tyres (also called snow tyres) must have the snowflake symbol on them (often shown in a mountain symbol). But some countries were winter tyres are mandatory do recognise the M+S symbol.

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