You must have driven seriously knackered discoveries
and i drive a 110 with a remapped M57 a class better than a M51 ,
it will catch peregrine Falcons !!
none intended

wammers said:

Must have been knackered then. Diesel P38s are by no means slugs and chipped ones fly.

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They ain't exactly speedy. And rank at the bottom for performance of all the p38a options.

RallyHippo said:

Thanks, I'd pretty much ruled out the d1 on the basis of my experience in the past with them 9 or 10 years back I bought a 96 model which took some finding as good as it was as even back then they all seemed to disappear around the rear doors, boot floors and chassis.. lovely car but horrendous ride and terrible for towing the trailer used to push the rear about, one night top side of Middlesbrough on the A19 she broadsided on me in the wet without the trailer on when I had to brake hard for a car which lost a wheel infront of me and I ended up on the hard shoulder and grass to stop it.. maybe it was the model spec but I don't think it had abs even.. i decided to get rid when later that month the clutch fork pivot punched through the fork at a set of traffic lights..
maybe I had a bad one I don't know but they just don't seem any more refined than a defender to me don't the d1's..

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D1's should ride fine. They are a Range Rover classic essentially. And neither a D2 or p38 are drastically different in regards to how hey ride.

Also sounds like something it up as they should be fine for towing. As a classic Range Rover is essentially a Defender under the body. And again there is nothing about a D2 or p38 that will make either of them better or worse tow vehicles.

RallyHippo said:

hey folks..
I've happily owned 2 td4 auto freelanders for around a year first been for the Mrs and the second replacing my cayenne.. needing something more to our rural lifestyle..
Having owned them with minimal problems (the Mrs' snapped the reverse ring but that was just bad luck)
Now I've used both to tow but the rice horsebox is technically too heavy (but only around 1500kg with the 1 horse in) but I'm not that happy at the weights and due to the size of the horse we can't get a lighter box.
I'm now also building a new race car (tomcat) which is going to be too heavy for the Fl to pull about so..
Wanting to keep with "home mechanics" and not wanting to go much bigger than the Fl physical size
I therefore don't want anything too new and computer related so I'm thinking disco 2 or Range Rover p38
Both in derv ideally auto..
Thoughts, recommendations & personal experiences..
Thanks in advance Dan

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Both of these have a lot of electronics on them. The p38 more so. The p38 will need plugging in for diagnostics. And D2 maybe to a lesser extent, as they tend to have less gadgets and features than the Range Rover.

Arguably the D2 is a newer design and has some design features that the p38 doesn't. Such as ACE and HDC. But there is no denying the p38 is the 'nicer' more comfortable vehicle.

As for engines. Not a lot in it between the BMW lump and a Td5. Although the Td5 is probably the nicer engine. The BMW unit is more revs and no balls. The Td5 is a better workhorse and will pull from nothing. But overall performance and probably mpg are likely to be similar.

D2's don't have a centre diff lock. Which might make a difference if you are towing off road.

Both vehicles are however substantially bigger and heavier than a Freelander 1.

If you want something more compact then a Jeep Grand Cherokee might be a sensible option. Although I'm not sure what their tow rating is for the UK market.

300bhp/ton said:

D2's don't have a centre diff lock. Which might make a difference if you are towing off road.

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So why does my transfer box lever go sideways as well?

Quite a few have diff lock.

Most facelift for a start

MJI said:

So why does my transfer box lever go sideways as well?

Quite a few have diff lock.

Most facelift for a start

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Some have them. I think it might have been an option later on. Most D2's don't however although with many the components are there, just the linkage missing which you can add. But there is a year or so that don't have the bits in the Tx box at all.

Which is something worth noting if you will be towing on wet grass or mud frequently.

300bhp/ton said:

Some have them. I think it might have been an option later on. Most D2's don't however although with many the components are there, just the linkage missing which you can add. But there is a year or so that don't have the bits in the Tx box at all.

Which is something worth noting if you will be towing on wet grass or mud frequently.

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I think a lot of the run out ones got them.

RallyHippo said:

hey folks..
I've happily owned 2 td4 auto freelanders for around a year first been for the Mrs and the second replacing my cayenne.. needing something more to our rural lifestyle..
Having owned them with minimal problems (the Mrs' snapped the reverse ring but that was just bad luck)
Now I've used both to tow but the rice horsebox is technically too heavy (but only around 1500kg with the 1 horse in) but I'm not that happy at the weights and due to the size of the horse we can't get a lighter box.
I'm now also building a new race car (tomcat) which is going to be too heavy for the Fl to pull about so..
Wanting to keep with "home mechanics" and not wanting to go much bigger than the Fl physical size
I therefore don't want anything too new and computer related so I'm thinking disco 2 or Range Rover p38
Both in derv ideally auto..
Thoughts, recommendations & personal experiences..
Thanks in advance Dan

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Man up and get a 300tdi 110.