Events are rubbish. Even though they look like BFG
brian47
Well-Known Member
The M+S marks on tyres these days seems to be little more than an advertising ploy than anything else, especially with many of the imported Chinese tyres on the market. Personally, I wouldn't rely on the M+S mark on the sidewall for any information at all.
Many tyres can be useful in muddy conditions but that doesn't mean that they'll be any good in snow. All "winter" or cold climate tyres will be purely by virtue of their temperature characteristics qualify as M+S.
https://www.oponeo.co.uk/tyre-article/winter-tyres-don-t-rely-on-the-m-s-mark
Many tyres can be useful in muddy conditions but that doesn't mean that they'll be any good in snow. All "winter" or cold climate tyres will be purely by virtue of their temperature characteristics qualify as M+S.
https://www.oponeo.co.uk/tyre-article/winter-tyres-don-t-rely-on-the-m-s-mark
Chalky.
Well-Known Member
Id get some mud terrains personally if you like greenlaning all. I'm not talking an extreme tyre, but a good mud terrain will out perform a good all terrain in the rough any day.
You'd be surprised how far you can get on AT's or road tyres, but I you lane on your own, as I do, I much prefer knowing that I've got a tread that will almos certainly get me home. I have some stt pro's, and they are good for laning/playing!
Its up to you at the end of the day, only you know what lanes you like to drive etc, but id say if you look at some remoulds (insa turbos), a set of four can be had quite cheaply and the dakars are like the old bfg mud and a exceptionally good for laning, and the Sahara which is equally good.
You wont want either if you do a lot of road miles though, so, again its up to you.
You'd be surprised how far you can get on AT's or road tyres, but I you lane on your own, as I do, I much prefer knowing that I've got a tread that will almos certainly get me home. I have some stt pro's, and they are good for laning/playing!
Its up to you at the end of the day, only you know what lanes you like to drive etc, but id say if you look at some remoulds (insa turbos), a set of four can be had quite cheaply and the dakars are like the old bfg mud and a exceptionally good for laning, and the Sahara which is equally good.
You wont want either if you do a lot of road miles though, so, again its up to you.
Chalky.
Well-Known Member
Yep that's right mate, mine are 235/85 r16 and the rolling diameter is virtually the same (I use a 7.50 as a spare).
My landy is totally standard to, getting the mud tyres was probably the cheapest and most effective mod you can do for green lanes!
Edlandy
Active Member
Cheers, sounds good advice
Is your 7.5 on a steel wheel, if so have you ever weighed the tyre/wheel combo?
Chalky.
Well-Known Member
No sorry bud, its on a freestyle alloy
Ok, cheers.
Because since I rebuilt my Landy I haven't put the spare back on. 265x75 BFG on Freestyle alloys Weighs 5 stone. Was wondering if a 7.5 on steel was lighter
That's not a big saving
I'm considering a false one cos the back doesn't look right without a wheel on.
norseman
Well-Known Member
Because since I rebuilt my Landy I haven't put the spare back on. 265x75 BFG on Freestyle alloys Weighs 5 stone. Was wondering if a 7.5 on steel was lighter[/QUOTE]
On the same topic, when I had the Michelins on my RRC changed for General Grabber TR's a while back I was surprised at the difference in weight (thus un-sprung weight) between the two brands - the Michelin's being noticeably heavier.
On the same topic, when I had the Michelins on my RRC changed for General Grabber TR's a while back I was surprised at the difference in weight (thus un-sprung weight) between the two brands - the Michelin's being noticeably heavier.
Yeah, that's why I keep looking at this. I think 7.5 is the narrowest tyre you can get for a Defender. Also was hoping steel rim might be lighter, but it's not going to work out. I don't want a 5 stone weight on my rear door. I've already tried the wheel carrier route.
Major Eazy
Active Member
@Edlandy
You mention "green lane" and "nothing extreme"
This springs to mind the image of a countryside track, overgrown vegetation, lumpy ground with lot of stones stuck in dried mud, the sort a countryside-loving dog walker or cyclists on ATBs/MTBs would go through. In wet weather, it is nothing more than just like a muddy playing field. Thus a good pair of walking boots would be suited to this type. If this is the kind you are thinking of, then AT (or 4x4) tyres are as good enough as any walking boots.
M&S tyres are kind-of more-like supposed to be the equivalent of wellington boots or snowshoes (image a tennis racket attached to the bottom of your shoes), some says it do have an advantage, others says it is a marketing poly, and they're really more suited to mud that's inches think and covers the whole of the tracks, or blanket Britain kind of snow (Or the images of WWII Germans blogged down in the mix of mud and snow during winter in Russia, springs to mind).
I would agree with most of the above members on some points, you'll be fine with AT tyres for nothing extreme, easy green lane driving, specially the members' suggestions on driving slow and such. Plus you're likely to do some driving on main roads (such as going from home to green lane), therefore AT tyres could last a bit longer than M&S tyres.
That's just my option. Thought if you were to compare tyres to footwear, hope it helped you to get an idea.
You mention "green lane" and "nothing extreme"
This springs to mind the image of a countryside track, overgrown vegetation, lumpy ground with lot of stones stuck in dried mud, the sort a countryside-loving dog walker or cyclists on ATBs/MTBs would go through. In wet weather, it is nothing more than just like a muddy playing field. Thus a good pair of walking boots would be suited to this type. If this is the kind you are thinking of, then AT (or 4x4) tyres are as good enough as any walking boots.
M&S tyres are kind-of more-like supposed to be the equivalent of wellington boots or snowshoes (image a tennis racket attached to the bottom of your shoes), some says it do have an advantage, others says it is a marketing poly, and they're really more suited to mud that's inches think and covers the whole of the tracks, or blanket Britain kind of snow (Or the images of WWII Germans blogged down in the mix of mud and snow during winter in Russia, springs to mind).
I would agree with most of the above members on some points, you'll be fine with AT tyres for nothing extreme, easy green lane driving, specially the members' suggestions on driving slow and such. Plus you're likely to do some driving on main roads (such as going from home to green lane), therefore AT tyres could last a bit longer than M&S tyres.
That's just my option. Thought if you were to compare tyres to footwear, hope it helped you to get an idea.
