blue beasty
Leaks an prone to bits dropping off
So long as a 3 point belt is fitted how is the middle seat any worse than the passenger seat?
blackstrat
Well-Known Member
this is a car with little upper strength that squashes itself when rolled and no impact absorption
leave her at home
leave her at home
Well the mounting holes for a lap belt should already be there! I'm fairly sure that that you can fit those seat belt bars designed for soft top models, even if you have a roof (I hope someone know abit more than me here !) also could but the litte one in the normal Seat and your lady in the middle ?
blue beasty
Leaks an prone to bits dropping off
I don't see any reason a 3 point belt can't be fitted. You can get kits that fit to the bulkhead.
A head restraint isn't going to help a 5 year old even on a booster.
I'm all for keeping kids safe but I survived rolling around in the back unrestrained. It's a Landy, you do what you can or buy a volvo
Land Raver
Well-Known Member
I have a 12 and 9 year old.
Sometimes they are both in the back on bench seats with lap belts and otherwise the youngest is in the front passenger seat on a booster and eldest daughter and wife in the back.
Yes, there are safer methods of travelling but this is only an occasional use vehicle used for Sunday jaunts. There are risks with everything in life but memories are made through having fun. Kids are probably far more likely to have a serious accident on their push bikes than in the Landy but you don't stop them learning to ride them.
Sometimes they are both in the back on bench seats with lap belts and otherwise the youngest is in the front passenger seat on a booster and eldest daughter and wife in the back.
Yes, there are safer methods of travelling but this is only an occasional use vehicle used for Sunday jaunts. There are risks with everything in life but memories are made through having fun. Kids are probably far more likely to have a serious accident on their push bikes than in the Landy but you don't stop them learning to ride them.
Castor
Trainee maniac
I've been looking at this this evening.
It seems that I can use a child seat designed to be held in place with just the lap strap - and to be honest, that's probably a pretty robust solution. The strongest and safest method would be to fabricate an Isofix fastening. Getting a retrofit Isofix approved is a practical impossibility I suspect, so lap strap its got to be I guess.
Granddaughter's only going to be in the Landy occasionally, and I don't think we'll be doing any major offroading with risk of rollover!
It seems that I can use a child seat designed to be held in place with just the lap strap - and to be honest, that's probably a pretty robust solution. The strongest and safest method would be to fabricate an Isofix fastening. Getting a retrofit Isofix approved is a practical impossibility I suspect, so lap strap its got to be I guess.
Granddaughter's only going to be in the Landy occasionally, and I don't think we'll be doing any major offroading with risk of rollover!
blackstrat
Well-Known Member
Yeh you're right your hobby is more important and rollovers only happen off road..
..the newer Defenders are bound to be much stronger anyway so no point worrying..
..best rule of thumb is that if you got away with doing dangerous stuff as a kid then it fine, your family are bound to understand.
..the newer Defenders are bound to be much stronger anyway so no point worrying..
..best rule of thumb is that if you got away with doing dangerous stuff as a kid then it fine, your family are bound to understand.
flat
Well-Known Member
I think your more likely to roll in a serious way on the road than some green laning off road to be honest.
I cart a 5 year old around in mine now and again. (He like being picked up from school in it?!?!?)
He goes front passenger with a booster and 3 point.
Also isn't a 5 year old going to constantly be kicking your gearstick into neutral?
I cart a 5 year old around in mine now and again. (He like being picked up from school in it?!?!?)
He goes front passenger with a booster and 3 point.
Also isn't a 5 year old going to constantly be kicking your gearstick into neutral?
TooMany2cvs
Active Member
Blackstrat - I'll bet the only reason you get out of bed in a morning is because such a high proportion of people die in bed.
chris7
Well-Known Member
Now thats REALLY depressed me!
honolulujoe
Well-Known Member
seen plenty of 4x4's on their roofs in road accidents, when I had my 110 I fitted a cage for that very reason.
imho having a child in the middle front in a child seat held by a lap belt is fine.
when my kids were young the middle back seat in most cars was a lap strap, with 3 kids one had to be in the middle, as long as it's a good seat - iirc ours were britax whatever they were we got them in halfords - and the lap belt is properly tightened, the child seat is secure
imho having a child in the middle front in a child seat held by a lap belt is fine.
when my kids were young the middle back seat in most cars was a lap strap, with 3 kids one had to be in the middle, as long as it's a good seat - iirc ours were britax whatever they were we got them in halfords - and the lap belt is properly tightened, the child seat is secure
honolulujoe
Well-Known Member
the other thing with the s1 although the kids are older, its never going that fast, round town it doesn't even get to 30so its not that bad imho.
high speed collisions are different but then if I remember the fifth gear 70mph offset front end collision test with a bmw 5 tourer and Volvo estate - both believed highly safe cars - the front axles were where the driver and passenger sat and from the look of both cars I doubt anyone would have got out alive irrespective of what belts they had on.
high speed collisions are different but then if I remember the fifth gear 70mph offset front end collision test with a bmw 5 tourer and Volvo estate - both believed highly safe cars - the front axles were where the driver and passenger sat and from the look of both cars I doubt anyone would have got out alive irrespective of what belts they had on.
honolulujoe
Well-Known Member
quite right too
iirc most people just stuck the carrycot on the back seat then, I can remember front belts being made compulsory, don't recall there being rear belts in cars in those days.
