lightning · Jul 19, 2018

£12.50 a day to own/take a car inside the zone from 2019 (2021 if you live there)
My brother lives in London and already large quantities of older cars are being dumped on Ebay etc as people try to get rid of them.
I can’t see it being viable to own a Defender inside the zone (which is going to be expanded in time) unless you are prepared to pay £5,000 a year emissions tax.

Colthebrummie · Jul 19, 2018

Well,
London has to pay for all its attractions somehow, afteral that's why people live there isn't it.

Col

Wimblowdriver · Jul 19, 2018

I had to drive in and out of London daily on and off for 35 years. In a car it is bloody awful, in a defender its insane. Anybody thinking of doing it in a defender, think again.

Scooby22 · Jul 19, 2018

Isn't there some way round it if you have a 110 and over a certain number of seats, think I read something about that a while back on here somewhere. Rules may have changed though.

lightning · Jul 20, 2018

The 110/90 SW is LEZ exempt but it looks like no Defender is exempt from the ULEZ

Paul D · Jul 20, 2018

Just checked my 90 and to my utter surprise and dis-belief, I have to pay ULEZ if I drive it in that London.

'nother excuse not to bother ..

Hicap phill · Jul 20, 2018

They even started to charge for our Prius. It was all down hill from then.

Paul D · Jul 20, 2018

Hicap phill said:
They even started to charge for our Prius. It was all down hill from then.

To be fair, no matter how much they hype EV's, and I actually love the idea of an EV Defender with gobs of torque, if they're really after cutting emissions, they really ought to take into account the average whole life environmental impacts, not just the single emmissions aspect of it.

gstuart · Jul 20, 2018

Paul D said:
To be fair, no matter how much they hype EV's, and I actually love the idea of an EV Defender with gobs of torque, if they're really after cutting emissions, they really ought to take into account the average whole life environmental impacts, not just the single emmissions aspect of it.

Hi mate

Also thinking it will be interesting to see how environmentally they dispose of the old batteries from these EV

Suppose to only last 5 x years before they need replacing , plus not very green really seeing how the energy is being produced at the power stations

Still think hydrogen is the way to go

I’ll get my coat

dag019 · Jul 20, 2018

Paul D said:
To be fair, no matter how much they hype EV's, and I actually love the idea of an EV Defender with gobs of torque, if they're really after cutting emissions, they really ought to take into account the average whole life environmental impacts, not just the single emmissions aspect of it.

I did that to compare my 110 against a Nissan leaf for whole of life when the boss of my last company bought one and then tried to chastise myself and another colleague for driving dirty diesel defenders! With quick google figures and some fag packet maths a defender was about 2/3 the total emissions of a leaf at 25 years old and 250,000 miles. The main reason for this was the need to replace the battery pack several times to get to that age and mileage, however we couldn't calculate the replacement parts for the defender needed so not a true or fair representation. Was enough to wipe the smug environmentally friendly smile off his face though and put him on the back foot trying to justify that ours were still bad because they smoked and had poor mpg..

Paul D · Jul 20, 2018

dag019 said:
I did that to compare my 110 against a Nissan leaf for whole of life when the boss of my last company bought one and then tried to chastise myself and another colleague for driving dirty diesel defenders! With quick google figures and some fag packet maths a defender was about 2/3 the total emissions of a leaf at 25 years old and 250,000 miles. The main reason for this was the need to replace the battery pack several times to get to that age and mileage, however we couldn't calculate the replacement parts for the defender needed so not a true or fair representation. Was enough to wipe the smug environmentally friendly smile off his face though and put him on the back foot trying to justify that ours were still bad because they smoked and had poor mpg..

About what I reckoned. Too many 'rare' constituents in the manufacture of decent batteries and their recycling issues to make them any more environmentally cleaner than what's already being done for many years. Yes, a diesel smokes like a chimbley on fire, so looks bad and often sounds loud, but overall it's relatively clean ...

lightning · Jul 20, 2018

Paul D said:
To be fair, no matter how much they hype EV's, and I actually love the idea of an EV Defender with gobs of torque, if they're really after cutting emissions, they really ought to take into account the average whole life environmental impacts, not just the single emmissions aspect of it.

That’s completely true, taken in whole life terms the Defender is one of the most environmentally friendly vehicles you can buy.

But it’s about air quality in London, it’s currently fairly bad and nowhere near the target level.
Electric cars will help to solve that problem by basically moving the pollution somewhere else.
Such as China where the batteries are manufactured or the power station that generates the electricity to charge it.

Turboman · Jul 20, 2018

Wimblowdriver said:
I had to drive in and out of London daily on and off for 35 years. In a car it is bloody awful, in a defender its insane. Anybody thinking of doing it in a defender, think again.

Agree completely.
I have a car, but I don't take it into London. If I want to travel away from my boat within London, I use public transport, it is cheap and plentiful.
Except at night, driving a Defender in the stop start traffic will be costly, and knacker the clutch, and probably the drivers knee, in short order.

mick the builder · Jul 20, 2018

gstuart said:
Hi mate

Also thinking it will be interesting to see how environmentally they dispose of the old batteries from these EV

Suppose to only last 5 x years before they need replacing , plus not very green really seeing how the energy is being produced at the power stations

Still think hydrogen is the way to go

I’ll get my coat

Don't they make bombs out of that stuff

lightning · Jul 20, 2018

I drive my Defender 110 TD5 in (often stop start) town traffic all day every day and my left knee is fine! The clutch was replaced at 82,000 as it started to slip under power after a remap.
It’s also got the clutch assist spring which makes a fair bit of difference
I get about 28mpg which is not much worse than my Transit Connect at 32mpg.
Reliability has been great in fact it’s the most reliable vehicle l have owned.

Goc3k · Jul 20, 2018

Paul D said:
To be fair, no matter how much they hype EV's, and I actually love the idea of an EV Defender with gobs of torque

Saw this a while back, mmm.

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Old, nackered 'n broke, but the Landy is fine . :)

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Old, nackered 'n broke, but the Landy is fine . :)

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Old, nackered 'n broke, but the Landy is fine . :)

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