I had a 110n/a travelled to work at indicated 50 (about47) hard work once manoeuvring in town.
It now has. 200tdi and power steering, I travel at indicated,55 (about 58) driving in town has jumped forward 30 years almost like a car now.
Noise I've got all in one mat in the front, flashing tape everywhere,rubber mats in the back,at 70 on the A1 it was now easy to talk to SWMBO.
Heating BL***day cold, I definitely need something between cab and body but removable.
It now has. 200tdi and power steering, I travel at indicated,55 (about 58) driving in town has jumped forward 30 years almost like a car now.
Noise I've got all in one mat in the front, flashing tape everywhere,rubber mats in the back,at 70 on the A1 it was now easy to talk to SWMBO.
Heating BL***day cold, I definitely need something between cab and body but removable.
I've got a 110 van.
Was originally a pickup and I swapped for van sides.
No problems for me warming it up in the winter, but I have insulated the back.
A 110 isn't the most utilitarian, all Landies are much the same, except for CSW's. And I'd disagree on it being the least desirable. If anything I'd say a van back is more desirable than a pickup on the whole.
Mines a genuine 200tdi and happily sits at 70 on the motorway with no issues.
Was originally a pickup and I swapped for van sides.
No problems for me warming it up in the winter, but I have insulated the back.
A 110 isn't the most utilitarian, all Landies are much the same, except for CSW's. And I'd disagree on it being the least desirable. If anything I'd say a van back is more desirable than a pickup on the whole.
Mines a genuine 200tdi and happily sits at 70 on the motorway with no issues.
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Pikey
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Wrong Only Dual purpose vehicles that have a 2nd row of seats and full sized windows with an area of 1800 sq CM can do 70. 110/90's with 3 doors are a van limited to 60mph on Dual carriageways. Bench seats don't count neither do side facing seats. oh and the seats HAVA to have upholstered head rests.
SteNova
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"VOSA's Answer
Land Rovers (and any vehicles with four wheel drive) are classed as dual purpose vehicles"
SteNova
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The full description of a "dual purpose vehicle" can be found in Regulation 3 of the Road Vehicles (Construction & Use) Regulations 1986. It includes 4x4s - like Land Rovers and their equivalents and states:
“a vehicle constructed or adapted for the carriage both of passengers and of goods or burden of any description, being a vehicle of which the unladen weight does not exceed 2040 kg, and which either-
(i) is so constructed or adapted that the driving power of the engine is, or by appropriate use of the controls of the vehicle can be, transmitted to all of the wheels of the vehicle; or
(ii) satisfies the following conditions as to construction, namely –
the vehicle must be permanently fitted with a rigid roof, with or without a sliding panel;
the area of the vehicle to the rear of the driver’s seat must -
(i) be permanently fitted with at least one row of transverse seats (fixed or folding) for two or more passengers and those seats must be properly sprung or cushioned and provided with upholstered back-rests, attached either to the seats or to a side or the floor of the vehicle; and
(ii) be lit on each side and at the rear by a window or windows of glass or other transparent material having an area or aggregate area of not less than 1850 square centimetres on each side and not less than 770 square centimetres at the rear; and
(c) the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the back-rests of the row of transverse seats satisfying the requirements specified in the head (i) of sub-paragraph (b) (or, if there is more than one such row of seats, the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the back-rests of the rearmost such row) must, when the seats are ready for use, be not less than one third of the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the rearmost part of the floor of the vehicle.”
“a vehicle constructed or adapted for the carriage both of passengers and of goods or burden of any description, being a vehicle of which the unladen weight does not exceed 2040 kg, and which either-
(i) is so constructed or adapted that the driving power of the engine is, or by appropriate use of the controls of the vehicle can be, transmitted to all of the wheels of the vehicle; or
(ii) satisfies the following conditions as to construction, namely –
the vehicle must be permanently fitted with a rigid roof, with or without a sliding panel;
the area of the vehicle to the rear of the driver’s seat must -
(i) be permanently fitted with at least one row of transverse seats (fixed or folding) for two or more passengers and those seats must be properly sprung or cushioned and provided with upholstered back-rests, attached either to the seats or to a side or the floor of the vehicle; and
(ii) be lit on each side and at the rear by a window or windows of glass or other transparent material having an area or aggregate area of not less than 1850 square centimetres on each side and not less than 770 square centimetres at the rear; and
(c) the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the back-rests of the row of transverse seats satisfying the requirements specified in the head (i) of sub-paragraph (b) (or, if there is more than one such row of seats, the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the back-rests of the rearmost such row) must, when the seats are ready for use, be not less than one third of the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the rearmost part of the floor of the vehicle.”
ReadySalted
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Well, 3 door or 5 door, it's largely irrelevant because I intend to drive at normal car limits anyway until the police stop me and then I'll just claim ignorance.
On another note;
I have only owned series landys, and tdis. I've always looked down on the td5 engines, as is pretty much the consensus amongst most landy enthusiasts, but I assume a fair number of them MUST drive td5's, so in honesty what are they like? I've only been in a td5 disco, and it seemed quieter, and seemed to lag more than my 300tdi. What are they really like?
If, say, the alternator broke, could I simply, unbolt the old one, put on the new one, and connect it back up, and expect it work, or does there need to be some kind computer involvement, or fault code reset or that bollocks?
On another note;
I have only owned series landys, and tdis. I've always looked down on the td5 engines, as is pretty much the consensus amongst most landy enthusiasts, but I assume a fair number of them MUST drive td5's, so in honesty what are they like? I've only been in a td5 disco, and it seemed quieter, and seemed to lag more than my 300tdi. What are they really like?
If, say, the alternator broke, could I simply, unbolt the old one, put on the new one, and connect it back up, and expect it work, or does there need to be some kind computer involvement, or fault code reset or that bollocks?
The TD5 is alright. You get more car-like performance in that it will keep up better with traffic and cruise fairly happily at motorway speeds. A fault code reader such as a Nanocom or similar is handy if you are intending to do a lot of your own maintenance. I haven't swapped the alternator on mine but I have disconnected and reconnected many other electrical components and it doesn't need any special resetting.
ReadySalted
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I'm looking at potentially swapping my car for a 99, 110 TD5 Van, which is completely opposite to what I first started out looking for: A tdi 90 SW.
The fact it's a 110 might turn out to be an arse since I park on the street outside (although I never had any problems in the disco). Then of course there's the fact that at some stage I'll want to put windows in the side which'll cost money. Then the fact that the engine might not be as reliable/ fixable. Then again, it's a 99 model so hopefully would be less corroded and is relatively new compared with the late 80s/early 90s landys I've been looking at.
Then there's the fact it's got 170,000 miles on the clock.
It's proving a bit of a minefield.
The fact it's a 110 might turn out to be an arse since I park on the street outside (although I never had any problems in the disco). Then of course there's the fact that at some stage I'll want to put windows in the side which'll cost money. Then the fact that the engine might not be as reliable/ fixable. Then again, it's a 99 model so hopefully would be less corroded and is relatively new compared with the late 80s/early 90s landys I've been looking at.
Then there's the fact it's got 170,000 miles on the clock.
It's proving a bit of a minefield.
tacr2man
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You wont be stopped and wont have to claim ignorance as its as the regs say a dual purpose vehicle
i) is so constructed or adapted that the driving power of the engine is, or by appropriate use of the controls of the vehicle can be, transmitted to all of the wheels of the vehicle;
jamesmartin
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Marmaduke
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Got my windows from this bloke
Side Windows for Land Rover Defender 90 and 110 | MUC3766 MUC3767
He's got some smart looking ones for a 110.
Don't know where you're coming from with the td5 gripes though
Side Windows for Land Rover Defender 90 and 110 | MUC3766 MUC3767
He's got some smart looking ones for a 110.
Don't know where you're coming from with the td5 gripes though
ReadySalted
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Perhaps I'm ill informed, or opinions have moved on, but I have definitely seen on forums (landyzone, landrovernet etc), that Tdi engines are favoured over Td5s by most second hand owners. Presumably because they are easy for the diy mechanic to fix, not because of their reliability necessarily.
It's back to the drawing board for me anyway, my search continues, and trying to choose between a slightly scruffy 99 Td5 110 hard top, a good condition 1977 109 sw (2.1/4petrol), and a 92 tdi sw.
The td5 is the newest so likely to have the least tinworm but 170,000 miles! The tdi sw fits my desired spec the best and is low milage but top end of the budget, and the 109 will be terrible to drive (I've owned two series 3's, and I don't think I could live with another one or it's mpg), but it looks fantastic and is over a grand cheaper than the others! The 109 is a bit of a wild card, but it's price and character are making it hard to disregard.
It's hard being 100 miles from all of these landys so viewing isn't really an option. Whichever way I go it will be a stab in the dark, but it's a job in itself trying to decide.
It's back to the drawing board for me anyway, my search continues, and trying to choose between a slightly scruffy 99 Td5 110 hard top, a good condition 1977 109 sw (2.1/4petrol), and a 92 tdi sw.
The td5 is the newest so likely to have the least tinworm but 170,000 miles! The tdi sw fits my desired spec the best and is low milage but top end of the budget, and the 109 will be terrible to drive (I've owned two series 3's, and I don't think I could live with another one or it's mpg), but it looks fantastic and is over a grand cheaper than the others! The 109 is a bit of a wild card, but it's price and character are making it hard to disregard.
It's hard being 100 miles from all of these landys so viewing isn't really an option. Whichever way I go it will be a stab in the dark, but it's a job in itself trying to decide.
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blackstrat
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110 TD5 for me please.. love that engine..
ReadySalted
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Cheers for all your help.
In the end I managed to find myself a 92 defender 100 CSW which would have been my first choice of spec but didn't think I would find one within budget. It seems ideal, and I've taken a punt on it, buying it without viewing. May have fcuked up or may have bought a gem but only time will tell. It's got 12 months MOT on it in any case so plenty of time to find and fix gremlins for the next one.
I'll post some pics up after I've collected it.
In the end I managed to find myself a 92 defender 100 CSW which would have been my first choice of spec but didn't think I would find one within budget. It seems ideal, and I've taken a punt on it, buying it without viewing. May have fcuked up or may have bought a gem but only time will tell. It's got 12 months MOT on it in any case so plenty of time to find and fix gremlins for the next one.
I'll post some pics up after I've collected it.
Pikey
Dummy Ejection Facilitator..
Don't let the MOT fool you. I bought unseen, My Mot was a week old and the chassis was Fooked. Had an hole in the front dumbiron you could get ya hand in. front axle was fubar. Brakes were non existent and it needed a new clutch.
Turboman
Mab An Gov
Hmmm!
I don't remember anyone advising you to buy a landy without giving it a thorough inspection, and I doubt if anyone who has ever owned one before would do that. :crazy:Best of luck with that, hope you don't get your fingers burned.
I agree with Pikey, mot means nothing. Years ago we used to go to a place where if it wasn't much good they would pass it for a tenner, but if it was really hanging they wanted a score!
ReadySalted
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lol Well I've bought a couple of landys in the past without viewing and no horror stories yet (...so the law of averages means it's probably going to be this time!)
When I mentioned the MOT, I didn't mean that it in any way guarentees a reasonable standard as I know there's some dodgey bastards about, but if it's a right lemon then I have 12 months to get it sorted in any case. Unless there's some catastrophic failure and it ends up wanting an engine replacement but I'd have to be pretty unlucky.
Well fingers crossed, and I will post some pics once I've got her home.
...All of that said, I can always walk away if she turns out to be a dog when I go to pick her up so I'm not too worried.
When I mentioned the MOT, I didn't mean that it in any way guarentees a reasonable standard as I know there's some dodgey bastards about, but if it's a right lemon then I have 12 months to get it sorted in any case. Unless there's some catastrophic failure and it ends up wanting an engine replacement but I'd have to be pretty unlucky.
Well fingers crossed, and I will post some pics once I've got her home.
...All of that said, I can always walk away if she turns out to be a dog when I go to pick her up so I'm not too worried.
