ok that clears that up. thanx. i will post a few pics very soon. i am already in love with it, just love the sound of that V8 when i give it an extra bit of throttle. just fantastic in everyway. and with such low mileage as well, only got 60k on the clock, thats what clinched it, for me.. so give me a week and pics will appear, again thank you for enlightening me to what that holder is for.