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Id like to get some wheel spacers on my freelander, but all the ones i have found are really expensive and i cant face spending that much on them. I noticed someone on an older thread had jeep steel wheels on his freelander (i cant remember who, it was a copper coloured 3 door, really nice and kitted out). So the freelander and the jeep share the bolt pattern so is there any reason why jeep spacers wont fit the freelander?

These are the ones on ebay i have found.
 
putting something from a just enough essential parts (Jeep) onto a proper 4x4 is a no no in my books no matter what it is.
 
I just don't like the idea of wheel spacers. I have read many threads on here claiming spacers put extra strain on wheel bearings etc.
 
mikescuba said:
I just don't like the idea of wheel spacers. I have read many threads on here claiming spacers put extra strain on wheel bearings etc.
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I run a mine with a 2 inch lift and 30mm spacers and eat nsf drive shafts at a phenomenal rate. However it's been run without arb or drop links which contribute further to the problem. I've reinstated the arb and drop links and just fitted a new drive shaft so we'll see if that makes a difference.
 
tonytherunner said:
Is the difference on center bore,freelander use 64.1 mm and jeep use 72 mm ,what you found does not fit ....
...these wil fit http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/30mm-Whee...704694?hash=item35ec3d43b6:g:DqoAAOSwZd1VbqFm
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thanks for the reply those look great, just down the road for me too :p just went out of stock though

RealBeale said:
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I run a mine with a 2 inch lift and 30mm spacers and eat nsf drive shafts at a phenomenal rate. However it's been run without arb or drop links which contribute further to the problem. I've reinstated the arb and drop links and just fitted a new drive shaft so we'll see if that makes a difference.
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yeah this is what would worry me, I've found some steels with a 30mm offset they would probably be a better bet to give the bearings a longer life span wouldn't they? I've never experienced a drive shaft wearing out, what are the symptoms? just so i know what to look out for, you never know with these land rovers :rolleyes:
 
I'd be a bit cautious about using spacers, the point raised above about knackering wheel bearings, this is true in principle.
Remember that by adding distance away from the bearing you are increasing the moment of any loading - meaning that shocks, bumps and bounces will all be massively amplified.
If you think about it, the wheel bolts start something like 30mm from the edge of the wheel bearing, adding an additional 30mm onto that effectively doubles any twisting force on the wheel bearing.

In practise it might not make much difference because the wheel bearings will always be overspecced, but, it might do a lot of unseen stuff that we could raise conjecture about all day.
 
Wheel spacers should only be used if wider deeper offset wheels are fitted, to place the centre line of the new wheels on the centre line of the bearing thus loading the bearing evenly and maintaining steering geometry. They are NOT for widening the track using standard wheels.
 
wammers said:
Wheel spacers should only be used if wider deeper offset wheels are fitted, to place the centre line of the new wheels on the centre line of the bearing thus loading the bearing evenly and maintaining steering geometry. They are NOT for widening the track using standard wheels.
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But putting the same size wheels on just with a 30mm offset would be ok? This wouldnt put any more strain on bearings on road but off road when suspension is articulating I can see how it would. So these https://www.4x4tyres.co.uk/freeland...h-7inch-modular-steel-wheel-black-p-4505.html will be ok?
 
openfold said:
But putting the same size wheels on just with a 30mm offset would be ok? This wouldnt put any more strain on bearings on road but off road when suspension is articulating I can see how it would. So these https://www.4x4tyres.co.uk/freeland...h-7inch-modular-steel-wheel-black-p-4505.html will be ok?
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If you fitted the same size wheels with a 30mm deeper offset than the standard wheels, then yes you would need 30mm spacers to return steering geometry to normal. And also to stop the tyres on the deeper offset wheels fouling on lock.
 
wammers said:
If you fitted the same size wheels with a 30mm deeper offset than the standard wheels, then yes you would need 30mm spacers to return steering geometry to normal. And also to stop the tyres on the deeper offset wheels fouling on lock.
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but the wheels are a negative offset that pushes the wheel further out, why would i need spacers for that? Surely that would put a spacing of 60mm on each side? The car would be getting a lift at the same time so the tops should clear the arches but then im not planning on going too extreme with the tyres. Just 225 75 16 all terrains, i need it to be a daily driver too.

EDIT: oh, i see. i just read somewhere that the stock wheels are a positive offset of 35, so a wheel with an offset of 30 would only move it out 5mm?

300bhp/ton said:
What exactly do you think a wider offset rim does differently?
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the spacers move the mounting surface further out on each side so that would give a more levered effect on the bearings, i know offset rims would do that too but only when the suspension is articulating but then if there was say a rock pulling the bottom of the wheel out or pushing it in it would give the same effect as it would on stock wheels. unless the tyre is bigger giving more leverage.
 
openfold said:
but the wheels are a negative offset that pushes the wheel further out, why would i need spacers for that? Surely that would put a spacing of 60mm on each side? The car would be getting a lift at the same time so the tops should clear the arches but then im not planning on going too extreme with the tyres. Just 225 75 16 all terrains, i need it to be a daily driver too.

EDIT: oh, i see. i just read somewhere that the stock wheels are a positive offset of 35, so a wheel with an offset of 30 would only move it out 5mm?



the spacers move the mounting surface further out on each side so that would give a more levered effect on the bearings, i know offset rims would do that too but only when the suspension is articulating but then if there was say a rock pulling the bottom of the wheel out or pushing it in it would give the same effect as it would on stock wheels. unless the tyre is bigger giving more leverage.
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Tell you what you carry on. Do what you want to. :D:D
 
openfold said:
but the wheels are a negative offset that pushes the wheel further out, why would i need spacers for that? Surely that would put a spacing of 60mm on each side? The car would be getting a lift at the same time so the tops should clear the arches but then im not planning on going too extreme with the tyres. Just 225 75 16 all terrains, i need it to be a daily driver too.

EDIT: oh, i see. i just read somewhere that the stock wheels are a positive offset of 35, so a wheel with an offset of 30 would only move it out 5mm?
....of course



the spacers move the mounting surface further out on each side so that would give a more levered effect on the bearings, i know offset rims would do that too but only when the suspension is articulating but then if there was say a rock pulling the bottom of the wheel out or pushing it in it would give the same effect as it would on stock wheels. unless the tyre is bigger giving more leverage.
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If you don't have a lift kit,with there's tyre and wheel spacer will be hit bodywork when turn the steering wheel full right or full left ....with 215 65 16 and wheel spacer wil be work good ....anyway if you want AT tyre 225 75 16 wil be recuested lift kit ,camber pins and wheel spacer
 
openfold said:
I apologize, im just trying to get all the info i can. Just getting confused about offsets and bearings failing. :confused:
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The offset on a standard wheel, because it is mounted outboard of the bearings, puts the centre line of the wheel and tyre directly above the centre line of the bearings and the hub swivels. If you fit say a 30 mm spacer to a standard wheel you are moving the wheel centre line outboard, thus increasing the moment arm and putting more weight on the upper part of the outer bearing and the lower part of the inner. Plus when you turn the steering instead of the wheel turning about the axis of the hub swivels it turns 30 mm outside that axis. Adding to steering loads. If you want to fit wider wheels and tyres then you get wheels with a smaller offset to maintain geometry or have to fit spacers equal to the difference in offset (new wheels to standard) to bring the new wheels centre line back above the bearings and swivel axis. And also to stop the tyres catching the inner wheel arch on lock.
 
wammers said:
The offset on a standard wheel, because it is mounted outboard of the bearings, puts the centre line of the wheel and tyre directly above the centre line of the bearings and the hub swivels. If you fit say a 30 mm spacer to a standard wheel you are moving the wheel centre line outboard, thus increasing the moment arm and putting more weight on the upper part of the outer bearing and the lower part of the inner. Plus when you turn the steering instead of the wheel turning about the axis of the hub swivels it turns 30 mm outside that axis. Adding to steering loads. If you want to fit wider wheels and tyres then you get wheels with a smaller offset to maintain geometry or have to fit spacers equal to the difference in offset (new wheels to standard) to bring the new wheels centre line back above the bearings and swivel axis. And also to stop the tyres catching the inner wheel arch on lock.
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Fitting Wider tyres to the freelander will rub on the lower suspension without spacers though. My 225/75/1's were very close to the coil and spacers gave much more clearance, fitting a rim with a smaller offset to compensate without spacers just isn't going to happen. Besides, fitting wider wheels changes the steering geometry too, so where is the line to be drawn?

openfold said:
but the wheels are a negative offset that pushes the wheel further out, why would i need spacers for that? Surely that would put a spacing of 60mm on each side? The car would be getting a lift at the same time so the tops should clear the arches but then im not planning on going too extreme with the tyres. Just 225 75 16 all terrains, i need it to be a daily driver too.

EDIT: oh, i see. i just read somewhere that the stock wheels are a positive offset of 35, so a wheel with an offset of 30 would only move it out 5mm?
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Yeah, pretty much. An ET00 (0 offset) would space the wheels further from the hubs by 36mm as the standard freelander wheel is an et36

I see a lot of people proclaiming that spacers make a huge problem for the bearing and how terrible it is... but after quite a bit of searching i don't see many people actually post up with first hand experience of noticeably different bearing life. I'd be inclined to place my money on the fact that spacers with good bearings will have a lot longer life than standard wheels with cheaper bearings, yet some people find it perfectly acceptable to scrimp on wheel bearings. I have seen a lot of people with much wider wheels though who report absolutely no issues for many years. Personally, i chose to fit them and try for myself, there'll always be people trying to persuade you not to do things and that it isn't the "proper" way and they can waffle on for hours about the finer technicalities but a lot of the time the real world differences are slim to non existent.... but when you walk to your car and it makes you grin from ear to ear because you're pleased with it then sod what other people say.

So in answer to your question, The jeep spacers aren't amazing as the centre bore is different. Hub centric spacers are what you want ideally and the freelander hub is 64.1mm. Having a 76mm hub bore spacer give the alloy no central support so the load is placed on the lugs instead. Grab a set of 114.3x5 64.1mm hubcentric spacers, let your insurance company know and enjoy your newly pimped ride :D
 
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