Well thanks to everyone who has offered suggestions but sadly the problem remains. Even the garages wonder machine couldn't reset the fault so the lock to lock solution can't work. My new toy is now in for a service on Friday as it's now missing between 30 and 40 mph! I've not even had her a month yet but you can't wipe that smile off my face :)

Wait till you get the bill, that will wipe the smile off.:D:D
 
What exactly is the fault code that the garage couldn't clear?

Its the indash one inactive air susp. They cleared the engine management one which thinks its not running right and theyre putting that down to the LPG confusing it from time to time.
 
Its the indash one inactive air susp. They cleared the engine management one which thinks its not running right and theyre putting that down to the LPG confusing it from time to time.

But the In-Dash one only reflects the state of the AES ECU, reading this will tell you what the air suspension thinks is wrong with it. Have they read this? What diagnostics do they use? Is it specific to your Range Rover? Many diagnostics can read/clear engine management faults but can't talk to other systems on the RR.
 
But the In-Dash one only reflects the state of the AES ECU, reading this will tell you what the air suspension thinks is wrong with it. Have they read this? What diagnostics do they use? Is it specific to your Range Rover? Many diagnostics can read/clear engine management faults but can't talk to other systems on the RR.

Thanks for the quick reply. They have two diagnostic machines that they use and neither one of them could pick up on the fault. It's only a small village garage but they do know their stuff but I think I'll have to go to a LR garage to get this one sorted sadly. It was working perfectly before the battery was disconnected for the new alternator. I know one of their machines was adamant that mine was a 4.6 on a 2002 despite him pressing 04 4.4! I was set next to him watching him do it. I just think it's highly unlikely that the air compressor has gone in the few hours it took them to change the alternator.
 
Actually all joking aside, the bill for the alternator including labour was £551 which I didn't think was that bad. It wasn't a cheapy alternator either ;)

Your bloody right it wasn't a cheap alternator;) I wasn't being cruel honestly, you will get used to us on this site.:D:D
 
.... but I think I'll have to go to a LR garage to get this one sorted sadly.

Over the past weeks I have learnt a reasonable amount about how the air suspension hangs together and what causes what errors. There are others on here with much more knowledge as well.

What is required is the fault readout, once we have that isolating it will be easier.

A simplified layout is

Pump -> Valve -> Compressed air cylinder (with a pressure sensor on it) -> Front & Back valves -> Air struts + height sensors

All ultimately linking to the ECU.

The fault code will help pinpoint where the error is occurring. I have some software called Allcomms - I bought it a few years back to reset my codes when I renewed the piston ring in the air compressor (I got another 20,000 miles out of it before the cylinder wore too much) - it costs but if you intend or have to do a bit of your own maintenance (I personally find it quite rewarding and it is just lego) then it is worth it.

All that said, don't worry about it too much. As long as the car rides evenly and air is retained in the struts it is ok to take your time - I ran for 8 months with "Air Suspension Inactive" and a trip to southern France. I'm not saying just forget about and it is disappointing especially on top of the alternator but you can relax about the issue (others may disagree).

My problem was actually a £40 sensor on the compressed air tank. It wasn't telling the ECU that it had reached pressure and thus the system decided there was a leak 'Pressure Resevoir Static When Filling'. I had terrible pump output but with AllComms I could locate the problem.

I'm in Broadstairs, Kent so too far away but there may be other kind members with a diagnostic kit near you. If you don't want to diagnose or fix it yourself then go to an Indy LR garage (as you have said) and get a list of the faults and post back here before you act on any repairs.

Charlie


p.s. it really does sound like the steering lock to lock you have to do after disconnecting the battery. I know you've done it but....

p.p.s I had a possible alternator issue diagnosed incorrectly by a garage 5 years back. The answer was to replace it - as you have seen they are not cheap. I got the garage to remove it and I sent it to:

Unit Exchaqnge

All the bearings were replaced as a matter of course however there was nothing wrong with it. I'm not saying yours was 'not' faulty but my repair (or lack of it) was £75 and output was bench tested. I'm mentioning this because it may be relevant to others with respect to not just defaulting to replacement. The alternator that was 'written off' has since done 50,000 miles...

Charlie
 
Over the past weeks I have learnt a reasonable amount about how the air suspension hangs together and what causes what errors. There are others on here with much more knowledge as well.

What is required is the fault readout, once we have that isolating it will be easier.

A simplified layout is

Pump -> Valve -> Compressed air cylinder (with a pressure sensor on it) -> Front & Back valves -> Air struts + height sensors

All ultimately linking to the ECU.

The fault code will help pinpoint where the error is occurring. I have some software called Allcomms - I bought it a few years back to reset my codes when I renewed the piston ring in the air compressor (I got another 20,000 miles out of it before the cylinder wore too much) - it costs but if you intend or have to do a bit of your own maintenance (I personally find it quite rewarding and it is just lego) then it is worth it.

All that said, don't worry about it too much. As long as the car rides evenly and air is retained in the struts it is ok to take your time - I ran for 8 months with "Air Suspension Inactive" and a trip to southern France. I'm not saying just forget about and it is disappointing especially on top of the alternator but you can relax about the issue (others may disagree).

My problem was actually a £40 sensor on the compressed air tank. It wasn't telling the ECU that it had reached pressure and thus the system decided there was a leak 'Pressure Resevoir Static When Filling'. I had terrible pump output but with AllComms I could locate the problem.

I'm in Broadstairs, Kent so too far away but there may be other kind members with a diagnostic kit near you. If you don't want to diagnose or fix it yourself then go to an Indy LR garage (as you have said) and get a list of the faults and post back here before you act on any repairs.

Charlie


p.s. it really does sound like the steering lock to lock you have to do after disconnecting the battery. I know you've done it but....

p.p.s I had a possible alternator issue diagnosed incorrectly by a garage 5 years back. The answer was to replace it - as you have seen they are not cheap. I got the garage to remove it and I sent it to:

Unit Exchaqnge

All the bearings were replaced as a matter of course however there was nothing wrong with it. I'm not saying yours was 'not' faulty but my repair (or lack of it) was £75 and output was bench tested. I'm mentioning this because it may be relevant to others with respect to not just defaulting to replacement. The alternator that was 'written off' has since done 50,000 miles...

Charlie

Thanks Charlie, that's a really helpful post. There's a fantastic indy LR garage in Kendal who used to do all my servicing and repairs when my Landy's were out of warranty so I dare say we will be getting reacquainted again sometime soon.

The old girl runs perfectly level so it's not a major issue it's just I'm a gadget man (who isn't on here) so I'd like it working. It's a bit like seeing a blanked off switch on your dashboard knowing something should be there!

Even if you could save me hundreds of pounds playing with your diagnostic kit, I couldn't afford the fuel to Kent :D:D:D:D
 
Your bloody right it wasn't a cheap alternator;) I wasn't being cruel honestly, you will get used to us on this site.:D:D

I know you weren't :D

If you can't have a bit of friendly banter with like minded people then the world's in a bad state!!

The alternator was £353 plus VAT and labour was £90 + VAT which I thought was very good. The £16 for anti free shocked me though:p:p:p
 
Just thinking, I'm assuming that the air compressor hasn't been moved as there is an LPG tank where my spare should be? Bugger, another job, must get a can of get me home gunk or a cheap spare wheel. Ha, cheap. You can tell I'm new to the L322 world
 
Just thinking, I'm assuming that the air compressor hasn't been moved as there is an LPG tank where my spare should be

I have the same.

Not saying your compressor is in the same place but for mine, when looking at the boot from the back of the car, there is a flap (car is being used so I wold take a photo) to the right of the large square cover that covers up your LPG tank (where the spare wheel was).

My compressor was placed under the flap and was removed from the standard metal casing to allow it to fit. The LPG fitters made some brackets to allow it to sit vertically in that area. I don't know what was in there before?

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If it isn't there then I expect it is bolted somewhere on the underside of the car.

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This is a digression from your original post but if you have found it you can check your compressor output once you can reset the codes, it will kick into action straight away. I understand that if you can easily hold you thumb over the output then it is unhappy.

The ouput is the main black air line running away from the compressor. You can remove it by pressing the collet down that holds it in to the compressor. I hadn't come across collets before and tried to pull mine, luckily I wasn't too heavy handed. If ouput is low you can try fitting a new piston ring.



They are available from:

http://www.bagpipingandy.com/
and
X8R Ltd Home- X8R Ltd is a British company dedicated to the supply of improved vehicle components. X8R Ltd is completely dedicated to providing high quality improved design vehicle components; correcting original manufacturers design faults or improv (I got mine from here as they are 1 mile from where I live)


Charlie
 

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I have the same.

Once again Charlie, thank you so much for that. I just suspected the compressor after watching Wheeler Dealers the other Sunday and they said that if you can put your finger over the end then it's trouble. A bit of a coincidence going whilst the alternator was being done though! Just currently trawling through the best diagnostic machines to buy. Just seen a reasonably priced Bearmach one but then you need different leads to talk to different areas of the car! Its a minefield aaarrrggghhh :confused:

Scott
 
AllComms seems to be the way to go. It's worth reading about how and why Storey Wilson developed it:

More about Me

The description is half way down titled 'The Beginning'

If someone has single handedly gone to that much work, even if it is a few pounds more that some others (I don't know if that is the case) it is worth supporting. The USD: GBP exchange rate is the best it has been in ages at the moment as well.

Note also the AllComms software can do more than just read and clear fault codes, see

MKIII All Comms

Charlie
 
AllComms

Blimey, he knows his stuff. It looks like I'll have to dig deep and it appears that to get the best out of my new toy, I'll have to buy the All Comms and the EAS as well. Bet I get stung on the import duty as well.

I'll hang fire until the weekend as she's in for a service tomorrow and the village garage is giving her a good going over whilst I've still got a bit of warranty left <fingers crossed>
 

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