Yes of course, there are means by which creditors are supposed to be able to address outstanding debts and by which government departments can attempt to recover money owed @Hippo My point is that I am seeing a good deal of firsthand anecdotal evidence (as well as these things being widely reported in the news) that the mechanisms for making it all work are not being applied, or at least the application is patchy. One more anecdote from an acquaintance who is homeless and has been stealing food, concerns the way that she's been telling the shop concerned what she's doing and inviting them to call the police. The police don't turn up, apparently, despite her waiting around to be apprehended. Eventually as time goes by it gets to closing time and the people in the shop want to go home so she wanders off. This is very much in line with recent press reports concerning shoplifting. So there are significant glitches in the system. The reek of weed in the centre of our local town is pervasive, and whilst you occasionally see police on patrol, they do not appear to challenge the people from whom it is emanating, despite it recently having been recategorised from a class C to a class B.

There are certainly examples of where they've gone after people with considerable vigour. All those subpostmasters and mistresses who've been in the news again lately, for example. But the mechanisms for maintaining order more often resemble a house of cards rather than the iron fist of the carceral state.
 
Brown said:
Yes of course, there are means by which creditors are supposed to be able to address outstanding debts and by which government departments can attempt to recover money owed @Hippo My point is that I am seeing a good deal of firsthand anecdotal evidence (as well as these things being widely reported in the news) that the mechanisms for making it all work are not being applied, or at least the application is patchy. One more anecdote from an acquaintance who is homeless and has been stealing food, concerns the way that she's been telling the shop concerned what she's doing and inviting them to call the police. The police don't turn up, apparently, despite her waiting around to be apprehended. Eventually as time goes by it gets to closing time and the people in the shop want to go home so she wanders off. This is very much in line with recent press reports concerning shoplifting. So there are significant glitches in the system. The reek of weed in the centre of our local town is pervasive, and whilst you occasionally see police on patrol, they do not appear to challenge the people from whom it is emanating, despite it recently having been recategorised from a class C to a class B.

There are certainly examples of where they've gone after people with considerable vigour. All those subpostmasters and mistresses who've been in the news again lately, for example. But the mechanisms for maintaining order more often resemble a house of cards rather than the iron fist of the carceral state.
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Sometimes peeps tell stories that are too far fetched. Like an old wuk colleague that ordered 4k sovs of parts from our local main dealer who assured him he had already paid when collecting them. So he got them free. Twice the value of his motor at the time. Soending that much at MD prices? Simular to your friend, I once wukked wiv someone who had previously lived on the street for a few months. He would speed eat while in superstores then leave without paying. No evidence. I can beleive that but if he had told me he had told staff in advance he was going on the rob, then hung around after while asking them to call the police. Well its a bit too much. Most would just leave to make it easier to do again. Police are busy and thefts are rising because its easy and there's more peeps desperate. There always one peep who tell's you they run up 40k sovs of debt and it were wrote oft. Nowt to pay. What they won't tell you about is all the chasing that went on and bay lifts at the door. Taking their other halfs laptop because they couldn't prove ownership. And the kids telly. Debt wroted oft because they're not well oft, have few possessions and what they do have is rented or on finance. Its unbeleivable but peeps sometimes believe its easy because the papers pick out one int million who manages it. Like the theory of popping down the council to get a free house. They will also pay yer removal costs and furnish it.
 
Went to the AO arena last night to watch 'arenacross'. Flippin brilliant!! Literally!!
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Hippo said:
Sometimes peeps tell stories that are too far fetched. Like an old wuk colleague that ordered 4k sovs of parts from our local main dealer who assured him he had already paid when collecting them. So he got them free. Twice the value of his motor at the time. Soending that much at MD prices? Simular to your friend, I once wukked wiv someone who had previously lived on the street for a few months. He would speed eat while in superstores then leave without paying. No evidence. I can beleive that but if he had told me he had told staff in advance he was going on the rob, then hung around after while asking them to call the police. Well its a bit too much. Most would just leave to make it easier to do again. Police are busy and thefts are rising because its easy and there's more peeps desperate. There always one peep who tell's you they run up 40k sovs of debt and it were wrote oft. Nowt to pay. What they won't tell you about is all the chasing that went on and bay lifts at the door. Taking their other halfs laptop because they couldn't prove ownership. And the kids telly. Debt wroted oft because they're not well oft, have few possessions and what they do have is rented or on finance. Its unbeleivable but peeps sometimes believe its easy because the papers pick out one int million who manages it. Like the theory of popping down the council to get a free house. They will also pay yer removal costs and furnish it.
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Well, without giving away too much about my circumstances, I've been reasonably close to some of these personal tragedies. Close enough to have noticed debt collectors and bailiffs at any rate, and they've not shown up. I've been close enough to need to familiarise myself with the powers of the people involved, in case my own stuff was at risk. That's why I've been surprised at the relative lack of action taken. In the event of my seeing the documentation, the sums were not as large as £40k (more like £25k), but you'd think with that much money at stake they'd have pushed harder.

Anyway, over the last decade or so I have de-curated my friendship network so it's now a lot smaller. That means life is a lot calmer, more prosperous and considerably less full of incident. I wish I'd done it earlier. My major problem is that in the past I've put friendship and loyalty ahead of personal gain. I'm not doing that any more. However, it has meant that I've seen a lot of stuff that, officially at least, can't possibly happen. Enough for one lifetime. That's why I've retired myself from social life.
 
DanClarke said:
Not entirely relevant perhaps but when a loved one dies there is a single number to call and the deceased's govt accounts are ceased whatever they might be (Pension, NHS, Benefits etc.) the govt is trying to make it 1 call does it all.
Whether this is to reduce stress on the surviving family or to prevent/reduce fraud I am not sure.
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When my dad past away thay wanted pension moneys repaid and additional rent paid 😠told them to swing on my finger
 
I've not tried the 'tell us once' scheme because that came in after the last time I dealt with a death. But I hope they don't make it too easy. Think of the jolly japes that could be played. I wonder what would happen to the unfortunate individual who'd been playfully 'snuffed'? Would they ever be able to convince the world that they were not deceased? Or would they have to wander the streets like a zombie?
 
Stone56 said:
When my dad past away thay wanted pension moneys repaid and additional rent paid 😠told them to swing on my finger
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Come to think of it, I had something similar after my mother died. After I'd given the remaining furniture to the house clearance people and returned the keys to her house to the landlords, I started getting letters from them asking for more money. I didn't pay up and eventually the letters stopped coming. One of the things they wanted to charge for was stuff left in the sheds. Well, that mainly consisted of rusty lawnmowers and metal trunks which had been there when she moved in fifteen years previously. So I'd assumed they weren't ours to dispose of.
 
Brown said:
Well, without giving away too much about my circumstances, I've been reasonably close to some of these personal tragedies. Close enough to have noticed debt collectors and bailiffs at any rate, and they've not shown up. I've been close enough to need to familiarise myself with the powers of the people involved, in case my own stuff was at risk. That's why I've been surprised at the relative lack of action taken. In the event of my seeing the documentation, the sums were not as large as £40k (more like £25k), but you'd think with that much money at stake they'd have pushed harder.

Anyway, over the last decade or so I have de-curated my friendship network so it's now a lot smaller. That means life is a lot calmer, more prosperous and considerably less full of incident. I wish I'd done it earlier. My major problem is that in the past I've put friendship and loyalty ahead of personal gain. I'm not doing that any more. However, it has meant that I've seen a lot of stuff that, officially at least, can't possibly happen. Enough for one lifetime. That's why I've retired myself from social life.
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Hippo said:
Its surprising that they found out they made a mistake but continued because they din't want to lose face. R4 has been following it in detail. They knew the shops were powerless to defend themselves and took advantage of this.
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We watched the whole thing.
W being a retired IT auditor was not surprised that the so-called "forensic accountants" weren't very good.

The whole thing was down to computer faults and then to people going in and mucking about with stuff, which they should never have done and, as far as she knows, is totally illegal.
So she feels that the post office should have sued Fujutsu, not the sub postmaters as they should never have been allowed to have so much power to do what they did.

Felt so sorry for the poor victims.
 
Hippo said:
Sometimes peeps tell stories that are too far fetched. Like an old wuk colleague that ordered 4k sovs of parts from our local main dealer who assured him he had already paid when collecting them. So he got them free. Twice the value of his motor at the time. Soending that much at MD prices? Simular to your friend, I once wukked wiv someone who had previously lived on the street for a few months. He would speed eat while in superstores then leave without paying. No evidence. I can beleive that but if he had told me he had told staff in advance he was going on the rob, then hung around after while asking them to call the police. Well its a bit too much. Most would just leave to make it easier to do again. Police are busy and thefts are rising because its easy and there's more peeps desperate. There always one peep who tell's you they run up 40k sovs of debt and it were wrote oft. Nowt to pay. What they won't tell you about is all the chasing that went on and bay lifts at the door. Taking their other halfs laptop because they couldn't prove ownership. And the kids telly. Debt wroted oft because they're not well oft, have few possessions and what they do have is rented or on finance. Its unbeleivable but peeps sometimes believe its easy because the papers pick out one int million who manages it. Like the theory of popping down the council to get a free house. They will also pay yer removal costs and furnish it.
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If anyone else is on "Nextdoor" they will probably read endless sorties of being in supermarkets when peeps walk in, fill trollies and just push them out the "in" door. The staff having been told not to intervene for danger of getting hurt by the thief.
I read them on my local one.
 
Stone56 said:
When my dad past away thay wanted pension moneys repaid and additional rent paid 😠told them to swing on my finger
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The only pension monies they could claim would be any paid after the date of decease. but they'd be tearing the backside out of it if they pushed for monies back.

When my dad died I informed the pension companies reasonably quickly but it was 2 weeks before his body was found. None ever came after me, as executor, for any of it. In fact the army pension people paid for his funeral as they felt that the army back in 1939 was in part at least responsible for his death, (at 76 years old. :rolleyes:) The fact is that he joined up, probably already infected with TB and the MO never diagnosed it despite my dad reporting sick, over and over again, as he couldn't keep up on route marches, had all the classic symptoms, etc. When the MO changed, the new one saw it right away and he got invalided out on a pension. So when I rang them to tell them he died, they asked if his illnesses had contributed to his death, I told them he died of pneumonia and had emphysema, that apparently was enough for them to think what they thought and pay up. Thought it was weird, but in an amazingly reasonable sort of way!

I doubt you or anyone else benefitted from the property in a "living in it" way, so the landlord was being a bit cheeky at the very least. :(
 
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