I think you can use pto whilst in gear
so there won't be any drive through the PTO anyway?
Thought i read about using it stationary
Thought he wanted the motor to drive it all of 15 feet before a recharge
The ptos take their drive off the tfer box input gear shaft, so you can vary the speed of the pto depending on which gear you are in and what rpms you are using.
So for example you can drive and (pto) winch at the same time if you want to, you can also put the tfer box in neutral and use the pto stationary, again using gears and rpms ot adjust the pto speed.
I can vaguely remember something with the series if you put the tfer box in neutral ii locks the axles together?
So I can see where the OP is coming from sending power the opposite way into the tfer box from the pto.
So for example you can drive and (pto) winch at the same time if you want to, you can also put the tfer box in neutral and use the pto stationary, again using gears and rpms ot adjust the pto speed.
I can vaguely remember something with the series if you put the tfer box in neutral ii locks the axles together?
So I can see where the OP is coming from sending power the opposite way into the tfer box from the pto.
300bhp/ton
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But to what end? Just as I asked the op yesterday.
What are they really trying to achieve? Is this just to move the vehicle a bit like a caravan mover or for some other purpose? Surely it can't be related to emissions or mpg. As a 101 is clearly not the vehicle to be using if you are worried about either of those.
So they can park in the ev charging bays and plug in!
Or it is going to be like the f1 cars regenerative braking and extra poke coming out of fast corners
Wildefalcon
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It's for fun! And the joy of learning new stuff, and, because.
OK peeps. Thanks for your thoughts. It seems it's a non starter. The idea behind it was to be able to drive in French LEZs. Unlike over here, if you have a 40 year plus vehicle you are LEZ exempt, in France, you can't drive in their LEZ unless you have a special badge which states what your emissions are. There are several different catagories to choose from but if the vehicle is over a certain age, their computer says NON! If i could run on battery power and i was able to wangle the 'hybrid' badge i'd be fine. It looks like i'll either be taking the piece of crap BMW which is Euro 5 or taking the 101 and expect some on the spot fines for being in the wrong place at the wrong time(getting spotted by Le Plod)
I'm aiming to drive through France into northern Spain in August 2026 to view the solar eclipse. While i'm in France i want to visit several WW2 places of interest. Plus Le Mans. There are some museums i want to visit in Caen. At the moment it's not a LEZ but from what i read online it will be changing to one in 2025.
If anyone else is interested in the eclipse i'll attach a pic of the pathe of totality below.
I'm aiming to drive through France into northern Spain in August 2026 to view the solar eclipse. While i'm in France i want to visit several WW2 places of interest. Plus Le Mans. There are some museums i want to visit in Caen. At the moment it's not a LEZ but from what i read online it will be changing to one in 2025.
If anyone else is interested in the eclipse i'll attach a pic of the pathe of totality below.
Thinking out loud, if it is all there does it actually have to work, if you see what I am getting at?
Wildefalcon
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Indeed, who would certify? What does that v5 say?
No i don't. I think your predictive text might have kicked in...
Your V5 states what your emissions are. The French can check it online or from the manufacturer's records, i don't know which so basically you can't BS them. From what i gather, technically, you can't change your emissions 'class' by changing to a later engine. It's a case of whatever your V5 originally says, that's it! That said i know you can convert a vehicle to electric power and can then go into any LEZ in this country for free as you can register the change with DVLA. I'm assuming the change is recorded on the V5?
If it is then Le Plod will have to accept the change. Having a rather confusing V5 for the 101, Gaydon confirm it left the factory in 1977, the V5 states on the front page 'registered and/or used declared manufactured 1982(that's when it was converted from unused GS to ambulance body and entered service in the army after being stored at Ashurch since 1977) then inside it states date of first registration 18/12/1998 which should be an S reg but it's on an X which is August 1981 to July 1982.
The emissions section on my V5 is blank because Euro 1 only came into being in, i think, 1996.
I know the EU have tried a couple of times to get kit cars, specials and classic cars off the road and our vehicle federations who watch for anything nasty towards our cars have told them to SOD OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It looks like they are slowly going ahead with this plan on the QT over there. All they have to do is have more built up areas become LEZs and your old car won't be allowed in.
Hicap phill
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Think some London cameras have trouble with black & silver number plates.
Unsure about France but they hate 3 letters 3numbers on the S1 plate ,while trying to give us a parking ticket. Computer said no…
If you have a build date you should be able to re register it for that year reg number. The S1 was military & came out as a 1968. We re registered it as 1953 build date.
Unsure if hybrids count for LEZ abroad but could you not get this on the logbook somewhere? (Unsure what our Prius said on fuel type but was on hybrid non payment in London)without doing any work?
Wildefalcon
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DVLA are fairly consistent on ambulances being the conversion date, rather than the date. leaving lode lane. Not 100%.
Wildefalcon
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I've not registered mine yet, so I'll put zero on the form for emissions, when I do, see what happens!!!
I think it doesn't matter to the French what you put on your V5. They base what catagory your emissions are by what it was when you left the factory. If it's a 101 ambulance it's simply too old to drive into their LEZ zones. Bloody ageist if you ask me!!!
I know if you fit a different engine to your vehicle, regardless what it is your emissions for the MOT are based on the age of the vehicle, not the new engine. I have read online about electric conversions being recognised though and benefitting from all an EV gets. Using bus lanes, free tax etc. Not sure if it's the same if you converted it to a hybrid, hence the original question.
When i first bought my 101 it did wonder about taking apart an old Leaf or similar and bolting the bits onto it but putting a small diesel engine bolted to a generator with enough output to charge the batteries with enough capacity to power the motor at the same time. I really can't be arsed to keep pulling over to charge the batteries every 150 miles or so.
They do accept certificates from Gaydon as being 100% genuine and correct. I'm sure if i used it they'd change the build date to suit. The only down side being that they'd issue an age related number but that would then be non transferable which i don't want as about three years ago i bought a '101' private plate for when(if) i bought a 101...
They have a badge to display for hybrids but i think the different badges are on a sliding scale of whether you are allowed in. As in a 'quite clean' badge might get you into a 'fairly low emission' zone but not a very clean one. The penalty is a double edge sword. If you aren't displaying a badge, you get a fine for that, then they discuss what they are going to fine you for being in the LEZ whether technically your car is allowed into the zone or not. They also have one for LPG powered vehicles, but again they can only be applied to vehicles built after a certain year so you can't fit LPG to your 1977 engine and declare VOILA because they won't issue you a badge due to the age of the vehicle. Basically, they want old vehicles on the scrap heap!
I'll be getting two sets of new number plates next. Both black and silver. One pair for the registration number as the current ones are a bit knackered and another pair showing 72GJ27. I'll wait until i can find what i've done with the retention certificate for the personalised '101' number i bought. I've seen it since i bought the 101 so i'm not panicking that i've 'put it away safe' somewhere, four words i dreaded my mom saying when i asked for that 'something' she'd stashed somewhere. Because the next sentence was always, "now then, where did i put it...?"
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I am amazed that so many seem not to be aware of the French "Vehicule de Collection" classification. This allows people to drive their classic, vintage or veteran cars on the road in France. You have a special "carte grise" which is their equivalent of a V5c. you can drive these anywhere. But this will not be of interest to non-residents.
I have recently acquired "Crit'air" stickers for both my TD5 and my wife's Citroen Pluriel. So I will be driving legally in France. There are maps you can get which show you where you can and cannot drive without a relatively low emissions vehicle and there seriously are not many where you can only drive with one.
We drive from Ouistreham or Cherbourg all the way down to just north of Carcassonne very regularly. It isn't a problem.
As far as I know you can drive on a motorway more or less anywhere without a problem.
All explained here.
Crit'Air clean air stickers - need to know for driving in France | RAC Drive
With the law change in France we explain what the 'Crit'Air' clean air stickers are, where they're used, how to get one and what happens if you don't
