andrew bagnall · Dec 19, 2016

hi guys so im pretty new to offroading i have a freelander 1 with 4"lift and thechnica tracker tyres on i have don a little bit of greenlaneing and light off roading but some parts my freelander was leaning pretty bad (well felt pretty bad to me lol) rear wheel lifting off floor.. how do i know if its going to roll over i know no one can say for deffinate if its going to roll but is there any indication or tips you guys have ? are these rool meters you can buy any good or is it just a case of getting the experience and feel for it. dont want to push it too much and end up on my roof if you know what i mean hehe.
thanks in advance guys..

Marmaduke · Dec 19, 2016

Brown stuff will come out.....

I believe hippo suspension is designed to do the three wheeled thing as it uses electronic wizardry instead of axle articulation to maintain drive but should be able to get to a better angle than that before you start to worry

thecomblad · Dec 19, 2016

you know your about to roll over when your face is pressed against the side window ha

doriz · Dec 19, 2016

Marmaduke said:
Brown stuff will come out.....

I believe hippo suspension is designed to do the three wheeled thing as it uses electronic wizardry instead of axle articulation to maintain drive but should be able to get to a better angle than that before you start to worry

I reckon a good sized pig in the rear off side passenger seat would sort that out?

brian47 · Dec 19, 2016

If you look down and see the sky or up and see mud and grass you'll know you shouldn't have gone that far.

doriz · Dec 19, 2016

Hang a plum line on the rear view mirror.

biketeacherdave · Dec 19, 2016

I believe you know when just as its about to roll over

Dartmoor Navigator · Dec 19, 2016

4" lift on a Freelander, hats off to you

Im always bleddy wary of side slopes. It only takes a rock on the upward contact point or a depression on the downslope wheel and that angle can change dramatically. But you seem to be doing fine.

brian47 · Dec 19, 2016

Technically, while the centre of gravity of the vehicle is acting downwards between the wheels you should be OK, the problems come when the C of G starts to act downwards outside the wheels.
For this reason, a high lift isn't helpful since it raises the centre of gravity which is bad and a big sack of sand positioned centrally in the vehicle will help to lower the centre of gravity which is good.
So, what I'm trying to say is until we know exactly how your particular vehicle is set up it's impossible to give you a definitive answer.
What you need to get yourself is an inclinometer, or failing that, as @doriz has already advised, a plumb bob hanging from the rear view mirror. And when it points towards the roof you'll know that you've gone too far and then you'll have to shovel the sand out before it'll go back on its wheels.

gstuart · Dec 20, 2016

brian47 said:
Technically, while the centre of gravity of the vehicle is acting downwards between the wheels you should be OK, the problems come when the C of G starts to act downwards outside the wheels.
For this reason, a high lift isn't helpful since it raises the centre of gravity which is bad and a big sack of sand positioned centrally in the vehicle will help to lower the centre of gravity which is good.
So, what I'm trying to say is until we know exactly how your particular vehicle is set up it's impossible to give you a definitive answer.
What you need to get yourself is an inclinometer, or failing that, as @doriz has already advised, a plumb bob hanging from the rear view mirror. And when it points towards the roof you'll know that you've gone too far and then you'll have to shovel the sand out before it'll go back on its wheels.

plus we all know what happens if u turn the wheel the wrong way

surprising how much u can get them over before they tip

gstuart · Dec 20, 2016

plus if u get going up a hill there's always some extra horsepower available

Dartmoor Navigator · Dec 20, 2016

@andrew bagnall You can't have been too bothered about yer positioning in yer photos... I mean yer managed to open the door, get out, take a picture and get back in again

andrew bagnall · Dec 20, 2016

thanks for advice guys and haha neaver a dull moment on this site (i love it) and dartmoor navigator that wasnt the most it was leaning it was leaning way more than that further down the track it felt that bad i froze a little making very slow movements i was crapping it.

doriz · Dec 20, 2016

andrew bagnall said:
thanks for advice guys and haha neaver a dull moment on this site (i love it) and dartmoor navigator that wasnt the most it was leaning it was leaning way more than that further down the track it felt that bad i froze a little making very slow movements i was crapping it.

andrew bagnall said:
dartmoor navigator

He prefers Dartford Navigator

Bobsticle · Dec 20, 2016

micknkatenki · Dec 23, 2016

an ex off road instructor told me once that you will bottle out before it goes over, they go along way before they actually go over all the way. Unless you are doing something stupid or it is out of your control then as mentioned brown stuff will come out.

happened to me once, (not the brown stuff) on cross axle, rocking from one to the other, it felt worse on the inside than it actually was on the outside.

private penguin · Dec 23, 2016

micknkatenki said:
an ex off road instructor told me once that you will bottle out before it goes over, they go along way before they actually go over all the way. Unless you are doing something stupid or it is out of your control then as mentioned brown stuff will come out.

happened to me once, (not the brown stuff) on cross axle, rocking from one to the other, it felt worse on the inside than it actually was on the outside.

Very true

On a cross axle situation it will normally "rock" between the different wheels having contact, but unless there is also a steep slope involved it usually wont go beyond that point.

Having one wheel leave the ground is unnerving, but recoverable. Its when two wheels leave the ground that you need to worry

Its always hard to judge angles in photos - but on the assumption that a freelander has a lower centre of gravity than a discovery you sohuld be able to go a lot further than that without ending up upside down. But side slopes are best avoided if possible.

Coffeelandy · Dec 25, 2016

andrew bagnall said:
hi guys so im pretty new to offroading i have a freelander 1 with 4"lift and thechnica tracker tyres on i have don a little bit of greenlaneing and light off roading but some parts my freelander was leaning pretty bad (well felt pretty bad to me lol) rear wheel lifting off floor.. how do i know if its going to roll over i know no one can say for deffinate if its going to roll but is there any indication or tips you guys have ? are these rool meters you can buy any good or is it just a case of getting the experience and feel for it. dont want to push it too much and end up on my roof if you know what i mean hehe.
thanks in advance guys..

A piece of pooh will exit your bumble signifying an imminent roll. Hope this helps.

gstuart · Dec 25, 2016

Coffeelandy said:
A piece of pooh will exit your bumble signifying an imminent roll. Hope this helps.

followed by a face full of airbags, lol

have to go to a fair degree to tip a landy over

worse being trying to steer into a bank in making a situation worse

is very unnerving whilst it tips over to one side but all about control and not panicking

Alibro · Dec 27, 2016

andrew bagnall said:
hi guys so im pretty new to offroading i have a freelander 1 with 4"lift and thechnica tracker tyres on i have don a little bit of greenlaneing and light off roading but some parts my freelander was leaning pretty bad (well felt pretty bad to me lol) rear wheel lifting off floor.. how do i know if its going to roll over i know no one can say for deffinate if its going to roll but is there any indication or tips you guys have ? are these rool meters you can buy any good or is it just a case of getting the experience and feel for it. dont want to push it too much and end up on my roof if you know what i mean hehe.
thanks in advance guys..

4", You sure about that? The biggest I've heard of (and fitted) is 2" unless you're counting bigger tyres too but your's don't look over sized.
As for falling over have a look here, you'll get a good idea of what not to do.

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