Have I missed something, or are we having a trolling Friday special?

I'm truely struggling to see people's motivation here. The OP will soon be over 50 posts with the baiting you guys are trying if that's your problem.

If it's advertising on the forum then an eBay add will sort that seen as people on here seem to love linking the complete ****e you find on said website with the words "any good?" In the thread title.

I'd like to see the thread when the very first lift kit was suggested. I imagine the nay saying was rife!
 
At the very start of this thread my intention was to figure out this thing offer others the chance to do things properly to remove the need for un needed cutting welding drilling what ever.... The part would have been.moved on at cost to me plus a quid or two to others or via a respected seller I have no need to start a company based on sales here I'm more than.happy to share what I find with others as I have said on more than one occasion on other threads BUT not until I know it works and is safe for its intended use

However every other post has been a dig at me for this and surely you call all understand my frustration at this. I'm not spitting my dummy out but I must have the rite to a fair trial before being hung drawn a quartered

The difference in geometry changes is negligible by the way
 
RO51 said:
At the very start of this thread my intention was to figure out this thing offer others the chance to do things properly to remove the need for un needed cutting welding drilling what ever.... The part would have been.moved on at cost to me plus a quid or two to others or via a respected seller I have no need to start a company based on sales here I'm more than.happy to share what I find with others as I have said on more than one occasion on other threads BUT not until I know it works and is safe for its intended use

However every other post has been a dig at me for this and surely you call all understand my frustration at this. I'm not spitting my dummy out but I must have the rite to a fair trial before being hung drawn a quartered

The difference in geometry changes is negligible by the way
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Your getting plenty of positive input and as for 'fair trial' you'll notice the thread is still here.

I had no issue with this thread other than it probably needed pointing out a few guidelines if you intend selling a product until you said you wouldn't be sharing anything. That was the game changer.

If you still intend this thread as a shared learning experience that may be of benefit to others here carry on
 
RO51 said:
At the very start of this thread my intention was to figure out this thing offer others the chance to do things properly to remove the need for un needed cutting welding drilling what ever.... The part would have been.moved on at cost to me plus a quid or two to others or via a respected seller I have no need to start a company based on sales here I'm more than.happy to share what I find with others as I have said on more than one occasion on other threads BUT not until I know it works and is safe for its intended use

However every other post has been a dig at me for this and surely you call all understand my frustration at this. I'm not spitting my dummy out but I must have the rite to a fair trial before being hung drawn a quartered

The difference in geometry changes is negligible by the way
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Im not having a "dig" at you specifically, I am trying to get you to consider the full implications. If you do consider them and your final design takes them into account, then fine - Good luck to you.


"The difference in geometry changes is negligible by the way"

Do you know that for a fact of is it "some people on the internet said..."

It probably is negligible (In my own personal opinion, But I wont state that as a fact as I dont KNOW for sure as I have neither done the calculations or taken the real-world measurements) , and like I said earlier, many peoples Freelanders will have more serious problems that they are unaware of/ignore day to day but I hope you can see why I have been replying here?
I have a spiffing idea for a biomass reactor that will heat my house for free throughout the winter, but until I have finished the prototype and fully tested it, I keep schtum because A- I dont want to perhaps get peoples hopes up for something that might not work or be economically viable, and B- I dont want to share my plans and find some hippy's yurt had burned down because I didnt foresee something in the planning stages.
 
I have passed on preliminary measurements to our 3d model guys to run build a model graphic from...the programme will test for torsional stresses produced, changes in the suspension travel and steering angles he said looking at it it will be so minimal that he doubts a driver would notice but to be honest a grain of sand on the mating surface would change the outcome and the only real proof is fitting the prototype and driving it

All I hope for is people to take this as a serious thing I don't mind banter and the such in fact I welcome it but to be branded as a troll or spammer was unfair and un called for behind the scenes there is a lot of thought going into this and I'm doing what I can on lunch brakes and free time in the evening as well as trying to argue my corner here
 
Anythings got to be better than this hack job...Give the guy a chance:)

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Well fingers crossed week after next I should have a prototype fit to my car and test I will post up pics when they are done and fitted I need to weld.up my lift plates and fit them.at the same time as the spacers

Fitting the lot in one go should give me a better idea of how it changes the car to drive
 
RO51 said:
Well fingers crossed week after next I should have a prototype fit to my car and test I will post up pics when they are done and fitted I need to weld.up my lift plates and fit them.at the same time as the spacers

Fitting the lot in one go should give me a better idea of how it changes the car to drive
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hope it all gos well and look forward to seeing the photos
 
I'm glad to see some brainstorming round here,
for commercial purpose or not, it's always good to see more/new solutions become reality, at the end someone may/may not produce it; somebody might buy it, someone else might fabricate it's own version of it.

hope it works out and place pictures
 
My advice is stick with it, think about your design carefully, make a prototype & test it thoroughly & if you are absolutely sure its fit for purpose & you get enough interest have a batch made & sell them. Don't need to tell you what the consequences of a failure of this part would be. Be honest with yourself ...don't think just because you designed & made it that its automatically the finest thing since sliced bread, be ready to redesign or even abandon the project all together !!.
Because of the criticality of this mod I would suggest testing a prototype to destruction (off the vehicle of course !!) to see what is the failure mode. I doubt whether a failure would occur on a motorway where the forces are quite low but if you were attempting to make it up Rudland Rigg for example that might overload the part.
 
Type approval is something I'm yet to look into, I'm dealing with a totally unknown part and until it's made I have no real world idea how it will behave when fitted, and I'm ready to bin the idea and start again there is only so much I can do with computer software, with out sounding picky and talking light heartedly you could ask the same thing about suspension parts that are sold online from people knocking them up in lunch hours at work.

I fully intend to test it until it fails because if it does get sold or before share the design I would like to know that it's safe on my own car or others if they make there own to my spec. My only point of concern are the sheer stresses involved when turning the steering for example in deep ruts when there can pe a vast amount of pressure exerted sideways. I don't think that compression force will cause a pproblem as there will be only a minimal amount involved due to pivot points in the steering on the vertical plane

Can I just say thanks too. The thread has taken a turn for the better again and constructive criticism and information and questions is great.
 
On the subject of materials... Would a higher grade stainless not be a better option, yes it will add cost, but negate the cost of paint/plate. Obviously stainless is more brittle than mild steel, but a higher tensile stainless would be a workaround, and would cut down the number of chains in the process, would be straight from the lathe/mill and into a box effectively
 
SES88 said:
On the subject of materials... Would a higher grade stainless not be a better option, yes it will add cost, but negate the cost of paint/plate. Obviously stainless is more brittle than mild steel, but a higher tensile stainless would be a workaround, and would cut down the number of chains in the process, would be straight from the lathe/mill and into a box effectively
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Nice idea.
 
Stainless could be an option but at this stage I'm going with mild steel heat treated and plated because I can get the heat treat and plating done for next to nothing through work its softer for.the machine shop to work.with so less time cutting again saving a few quid on overall cost

If it works as it should I.will try stainless and see how it fairs in comparison
 
what heat treatment application are you suggesting... as there are many...

As a design engineer I can see that this part should be more ductile and NOT hardened. It should be annealed to remove all stresses POST machining.

This would also mean that the part would bend in failure as opposed to snapping. I know which i would rather have...
 
vilguy said:
what heat treatment application are you suggesting... as there are many...

As a design engineer I can see that this part should be more ductile and NOT hardened. It should be annealed to remove all stresses POST machining.

This would also mean that the part would bend in failure as opposed to snapping. I know which i would rather have...
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This^^^^
Hardening is not a good idea for the reason above. I'd discount the use of stainless for the same reason.
Stainless components shouldn't be used in anything to do with suspension. This includes the bolts securing suspension components to the body.
 
Nodge68 said:
This^^^^
Hardening is not a good idea for the reason above. I'd discount the use of stainless for the same reason.
Stainless components shouldn't be used in anything to do with suspension. This includes the bolts securing suspension components to the body.
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theres also alot of issues kicking about at the minute with regard to the use of stainless in critical components with regard to stress corrosion cracking in chloride atmospheres. The amount of grief this has caused me at Sellafield is untrue!!!!
 
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