Rigid axle unless you got bigger wheels ground clearence is 4 inches lower than the center of wheel and if you have 1 wheel with no traction you loose drive on that axle. rigid axle so outdated.
 
Miloman59 said:
Rigid axle unless you got bigger wheels ground clearence is 4 inches lower than the center of wheel and if you have 1 wheel with no traction you loose drive on that axle. rigid axle so outdated.
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Toyota disagrees with you. So does basically every proper off road journalist and expert.

I'll happily concede that the Evoque is better off road, just as soon as one crosses the Darien Gap.
 
backinblack said:
Are there more than 1 type of active driveline

From the LR website.
Active Driveline with Driveline Disconnect assures on-road ability and improves fuel economy by seamlessly switching between two- and all-wheel drive
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All evoques after 2016 have driveline disconect that is where the haldex coupling opens to let evoque drive in 2 wheel drive for fuel economy full active rear diff uses hydraulic pressure to control clutch packs in rear diff
 
He is right the Active Driveline system will do more than just switch between 2WD and 4WD. The twin clutch system in the rear "diff" will direct 100% power to one wheel.

OTOH if the system fails, it is screwed without access to sophisticated repair facilities. So, I'll take a traditional 4x4 overlanding to remote spots as they are much more capable of off roading with minimal support, and much less likely to leave you stranded. Which is why LR no longer promote any of their products to serious overlanders - including the new Defender.
 
Miloman59 said:
Rigid axle unless you got bigger wheels ground clearence is 4 inches lower than the center of wheel and if you have 1 wheel with no traction you loose drive on that axle. rigid axle so outdated.
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If you put a wheel on a solid axle over an object it tilts the whole vehicle including the diff away from the ground. Independent suspension just raises that wheel until the suspension runs out of compression. Solid axles are much less comfortable than independent suspension (which is why LR no longer outs them on its luxury SUVs), but they are ultimately much more capable off road.
 
Si Click said:
He is right the Active Driveline system will do more than just switch between 2WD and 4WD. The twin clutch system in the rear "diff" will direct 100% power to one wheel.

OTOH if the system fails, it is screwed without access to sophisticated repair facilities. So, I'll take a traditional 4x4 overlanding to remote spots as they are much more capable of off roading with minimal support, and much less likely to leave you stranded. Which is why LR no longer promote any of their products to serious overlanders - including the new Defender.
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Ah so it can send 100% to one of the rear wheels, what about the front :confused:
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It can send 100% power to front wheels aswell
 

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Why are we discussing toyota and the darian gap have you done it. dont listen to journalists. And i have never said evoque is better i have just worked on and drove all landrovers
 
Miloman59 said:
Both to be honest if evoque has active driveline will beet any old or new range rover. range rover tyres to wide off road also range rover uses abs to control power to wheels where as active driveline can send %100 of engine power to 1 wheel with most traction
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Miloman59 said:
Why are we discussing toyota and the darian gap have you done it. dont listen to journalists. And i have never said evoque is better i have just worked on and drove all landrovers
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The Range Rover Classic, rather famously, has done it, in 1972. Because it's a seriously capable off road vehicle.

And you literally said the Evoque is better off road than either the current full size, or a Classic.

I'm sure it's a lovely town car, and I'm sure you thoroughly enjoy driving it, but it just isn't a real off roader. It's certainly not an overlander. To be honest, nothing badged Range Rover has been an overland vehicle from the factory since they swapped the long coils for air bags.

Much as it might be heresy on here, I think we have to concede that Toyota build better overland vehicles than Land Rover do nowadays. And part of how they do that is by not swapping rigid axles and proper differentials for computers.
 
jwrrc said:
Much as it might be heresy on here, I think we have to concede that Toyota build better overland vehicles than Land Rover do nowadays. And part of how they do that is by not swapping rigid axles and proper differentials for computers.
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How is it heresy? Not even LR pretend that their current range contains a vehicle that can be supported without access to highly sophisticated maintenance facilities. They are demonstrably good off road, but are simply not viable as long range overlanders to remote regions without a dedicated support convoy. When was the last time that LR sent a trade stand to the Abenteuer Allrad Show at Bad Kissingen? Genuine question, I don't know, but I will guess not since they stopped production of the old Defender.

Toyota still build the 70 series Land Cruiser, the Troopy version of which is still aimed at the utility market.
 
Si Click said:
How is it heresy? Not even LR pretend that their current range contains a vehicle that can be supported without access to highly sophisticated maintenance facilities. They are demonstrably good off road, but are simply not viable as long range overlanders to remote regions without a dedicated support convoy. When was the last time that LR sent a trade stand to the Abenteuer Allrad Show at Bad Kissingen? Genuine question, I don't know, but I will guess not since they stopped production of the old Defender.

Toyota still build the 70 series Land Cruiser, the Troopy version of which is still aimed at the utility market.
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I'm sure there are some who would still contend that LR make good overland vehicle. I know one prominent youtuber who specialises in overlanding took a lot of flak for saying the new Defender might be capable offroad but no overlander would consider one because if an airbag goes, or you get a serious problem with electrics, you're stuffed.
I do like a Troopy camper conversion, and the Ineos looks very promising as an overlander.
 
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