Carpy the 8274 weighs 50 kilos, it's slighty heavier than the powerplant, which is the one I want. There are lighter winches for sure. All the specs are on the warn website.

I'm dying to read this book, but my intial feeling is he is writing from his perspective, I mean he may be cautious enough to drive 100 miles around an obstacle, but lets be honest, you and me are probably just gonna gun it :D And if you get stuck somewhere when you are alone, are you really gonna be be glad you saved 50 kilos by not bringing a winch :p
 
Booger said:
Carpy the 8274 weighs 50 kilos, it's slighty heavier than the powerplant, which is the one I want. There are lighter winches for sure. All the specs are on the warn website.

I'm dying to read this book, but my intial feeling is he is writing from his perspective, I mean he may be cautious enough to drive 100 miles around an obstacle, but lets be honest, you and me are probably just gonna gun it :D And if you get stuck somewhere when you are alone, are you really gonna be be glad you saved 50 kilos by not bringing a winch :p
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i guess the arguement is in the sahara in sand an nothing to anchor the winch to - cept maybe a ground anchor - a winch wont be a great deal of good, and you will be more likely to get stuck

in contrast in gabon in the extreme mud after flash floods it could be invaluable

god booger you have got to come with us!
 
carpy said:
i guess the arguement is in the sahara in sand an nothing to anchor the winch to - cept maybe a ground anchor -
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Yes I have heard that argument ;), but personally I wouln't bother with a winch if I didn't have a ground anchor, you have to be prepared for no trees, heck it's conceivable that you would not be close enough to a tree in Gabon even.

Not sure a ground anchor would work in the desert though, in really soft sand, does anyone know :rolleyes: ??
 
no that was my thought - "possibly" being a key word. i dont know if it would manage in really soft sand
 
Booger said:
Carpy the 8274 weighs 50 kilos, it's slighty heavier than the powerplant, which is the one I want. There are lighter winches for sure. All the specs are on the warn website.

I'm dying to read this book, but my intial feeling is he is writing from his perspective, I mean he may be cautious enough to drive 100 miles around an obstacle, but lets be honest, you and me are probably just gonna gun it :D And if you get stuck somewhere when you are alone, are you really gonna be be glad you saved 50 kilos by not bringing a winch :p
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Gotta say I am not sure thant simply "gunning it" rather than avoiding the really bad stuff is the best answer! When we were talking we heard all sorts of horror stories about people who decided to gohell for leather through a difficult secion only to lose their motor completely in a soft patch of sand that they would have noticed and avoided with a bit more experience or care.

I would have thought an overland trip would carry enough challenge and fun without needing to resort to such lengths for excitement. Is safety not the first priority?
 
Had a good day spannering with gibbo Phil today. Kai managed to change the handbrake assembly single handed (more or less)! Well done to him, I know drivers twice his age that still couldn't do what he did today!

Also sorted the drive flange seal that was leaking on Phil's motor.

Phil BTW... don't forget that your EP90 will have all but run out through the drive flange. I have plenty here so maybe a refil tomorrow would be a good idea.
 
No I plan to go in a small group of like minded induviduals, but having experienced group travel before, I know sometimes the group splits up, hence my necessisity to be able to self recover/be self sufficient.

I'm not saying safety should never be the first priority. If I had a wife and kids it probably would be. But I don't, and my own personal first priority is to have an adventure, one life, live it, and all that :D.

So I would probably try and cross a small muddy patch rather than go 100 miles around it. If I was going to avoid all danger I wouldn't go in a Landy, I'd go in a VW Golf, more comfortable and cheaper :)

I'm not on a suicide mission, and I don't want to throw my landy away, but I'd rather leave my Landy in a muddy hole in Africa than never take any risks, if that makes any sense ;)
 
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ive travelled throughout Afghanistan and i asure you you do not go looking for trouble. Spending 6 hours with a 6x6 crane getting over loaded trucks over a mountain pass was fun for the first few hours. Also going around a truck and getting the hylux stuck in a 4ft snow drift wasnt my best move either. myself and my gurkha having to stop the next bus forcing forcing them with arms to push us out was all again fun looking back but at the time not so cleaver. You dont go looking for trouble. You do drive around bad bits there will be more than enough to deal with on the road trip. If you want the extreme camel trophy type challenge (i know I Would) we need to think about malasian challenge events. Plus how you are percieved by locals could save your life. Even down to how smart you and your vehicle look.
Jai
 
jai_landrover said:
ive travelled throughout Afghanistan and i asure you you do not go looking for trouble. Spending 6 hours with a 6x6 crane getting over loaded trucks over a mountain pass was fun for the first few hours. Also going around a truck and getting the hylux stuck in a 4ft snow drift wasnt my best move either. myself and my gurkha having to stop the next bus forcing forcing them with arms to push us out was all again fun looking back but at the time not so cleaver. You dont go looking for trouble. You do drive around bad bits there will be more than enough to deal with on the road trip. If you want the extreme camel trophy type challenge (i know I Would) we need to think about malasian challenge events. Plus how you are percieved by locals could save your life. Even down to how smart you and your vehicle look.
Jai
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Fair enough, But to clarify I definately won't be looking for trouble, I'm not as stupid as I look :D But I'm also not going to drive 100 miles around a muddy puddle. :)

I guess it's all about how good your risk management is, and to be fair to myself everytime I have got stuck so far I had a good idea that it was going to happen beforehand. Now on an expedition I would only take those risks if self recovery/team recovery was possible, and there was a significant advantage to taking the tough route.
 
Mr_V said:
Lanes on Sunday anyone?

I don't want to lead though, i don't know the lanes well enough.

Or Whaddon?
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Could be up for a few lanes tomorrow as long as it's not too early, however I am on call which is always touch and go for me.
 
Ryder said:
Gotta say I am not sure thant simply "gunning it" rather than avoiding the really bad stuff is the best answer! When we were talking we heard all sorts of horror stories about people who decided to gohell for leather through a difficult secion only to lose their motor completely in a soft patch of sand that they would have noticed and avoided with a bit more experience or care.

I would have thought an overland trip would carry enough challenge and fun without needing to resort to such lengths for excitement. Is safety not the first priority?
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Driving through sand is not as bad as people make out, I spent four days off roading through sand when I was in Oz and I'll be honest I watched most people just blast their way through it. A few of us drove it with more tact. I know each area has varying degrees of soft patches etc, but I say it's the same with everything when driving unknown terrain, check it and walk it first and if you're unsure leave it. You know your own capabilities and driving skills.

Generally, if you get stuck it's pretty straight forward to get out it, with a little work involving shovels and boards on occasions. :D
 
Screwy said:
Could be up for a few lanes tomorrow as long as it's not too early, however I am on call which is always touch and go for me.
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Any more for any more?

It's going to be my last chance for a few weeks, i have some time off in a couple of weeks to sort out the 'dreaded disco boot floor' and a few busy weekends.

Alternatively, how about some this evening after dark?...:eek:
 
Mr_V said:
Any more for any more?

It's going to be my last chance for a few weeks, i have some time off in a couple of weeks to sort out the 'dreaded disco boot floor' and a few busy weekends.

Alternatively, how about some this evening after dark?...:eek:
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Normally I'd love to but I am at the in-laws this evening for a bbq and then lifting and relaying decking tomorrow. That'll teach me to check the spacing and not rush!
 
Mr_V said:
Any more for any more?

It's going to be my last chance for a few weeks, i have some time off in a couple of weeks to sort out the 'dreaded disco boot floor' and a few busy weekends.

Alternatively, how about some this evening after dark?...:eek:
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If you are going out to do some lanes give us a shout as i may join you.
 
Spyderman i see you have been up to sandy lane for a revenge attack!

The holes on that certain part of the lane have been filled in so not good for getting full articulation :mad:
 
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