davethebarber · Jan 14, 2018

Hi guys.
Ive boughta freelander 1 02 reg
1.8 petrol.
In very good shape but currently needs mot so got it cheaply.
Known issues are handbrake light can come on whilst driving yet handbrake fully off.
Also yep u guessed it ive got the 3 amigos. Could these be related?
Could anyone advise me on a process to sort these things.
Many thanks Dave

GrumpyGel · Jan 14, 2018

Check the brake fluid level first.

If that's OK, pop it into a Landie workshop for the diagnostic codes to be read.

davethebarber · Jan 14, 2018

Thanks GrumpyGel.
Ive done that check all correct.
How do i locate a local diagnostic workshop?
Whats a rough cost mate?

GrumpyGel · Jan 14, 2018

IIRC when I've had the codes read, the local Landie garage charged me about £20. I've used them twice and both times it was the modulator, so it saved me faffing around with brake switches and sensors, just replaced the modulator.

Having said that, although mine is a early '99 model, I did try a generic reader on it and although it couldn't communicate with he engine, it did talk to the ABS - which surprised me. So if you know someone with a code reader, it might be worth plugging it in. Don't bother with the cheap ELM dongle jobbies as I think they only try to talk to the engine, you need a device that will try the ABS.

Another resource is the Rave documentation which is a downloadable workshop manual from Land Rover. It describes the possible reasons for the various combinations of brake/ABS warning lights...

https://www.landyzone.co.uk/land-rover/rave-disk-maintenance-manual.260227/

Hippo · Jan 14, 2018

Handbrake light illuminating... I would have a look at the switch by the handbrake to see if it's operating ok and the wiring is happy.
Congratulations on the new member of the family.

GrumpyGel · Jan 14, 2018

Some advice from another thread...

Nodge68 said:
Link the contacts at the reservoir plug, making sure the hand brake is off. There is a known problem with the level sensor connection. If the light is still on ,leave the link in place, then unplug the connection at the hand brake lever. If it's still on, this would point to a problem with the ABS ECU or a mechanical problem with the ABS modulator itself.

kurtjohnson10 · Jan 14, 2018

Hi Dave
welcome to Landyzone - hope you enjoy the banter

GrumpyGel · Jan 14, 2018

More advice...

teddywood1 said:
I know my eyes are getting bad but I did not think they were that bad , sometimes you get the three amigos when the hand brake cables has been done and the wire has accidently come out of the gravity sensor it sits next to the hand brake and looks like a relay but it is yellow I think

fucmeitsandy · Jan 14, 2018

Have a look at rave , try search facility on here .
Perhaps , if where you are wasn't a secret some one with diagnostic stuff might help '

Hippo · Jan 14, 2018

There's a poll you can vote on anorl:

https://www.landyzone.co.uk/land-rover/what-mileage-is-your-freelander-1-on.157567/

and the rest of yer who int voted yet

rob_bell · Jan 14, 2018

Welcome aboard!

Agree with the responses from the others, but the three amigos is frequently a wheel sensor or brake sensor fault. A diagnostic will take the guesswork out of the equation

davethebarber · Jan 15, 2018

Hippo said:
Handbrake light illuminating... I would have a look at the switch by the handbrake to see if it's operating ok and the wiring is happy.
Congratulations on the new member of the family.

Lord Hippo forgive my ignorance but where and how will i find this handbrake switch please?
Also can u advise how to get to and check switch under gear lever for 3 amigos purposes

davethebarber · Jan 15, 2018

Quick update it appears my model is a Braemar model??
Can anyone tell me what that means?

davethebarber · Jan 15, 2018

fucmeitsandy said:
Have a look at rave , try search facility on here .
Perhaps , if where you are wasn't a secret some one with diagnostic stuff might help '

Hi mate it aint a secret im in Redditch near Brum.
So if anyone wants to help they are more than welcome thanks

GrumpyGel · Jan 15, 2018

davethebarber said:
Quick update it appears my model is a Braemar model??
Can anyone tell me what that means?

Google makes this sort of stuff really difficult to find.

GrumpyGel · Jan 15, 2018

davethebarber said:
Lord Hippo forgive my ignorance but where and how will i find this handbrake switch please?
Also can u advise how to get to and check switch under gear lever for 3 amigos purposes

The handbrake switch is on the hand brake lever - you'll have to probably take the center cover/console off to get to it - you can check the gravity sensor as described above then as well.

What switch are you looking for under the gear lever? There are none. There is HDC switch on the gear lever, IIRC this isn't a clever switch with any self test capability - if the wire's fallen off it (which happens) the only problem that causes is that you can't turn on HDC.

A quick Google of Land Rover Redditch found a number of LR related workshops in your area. I'd give them a call to see if they have diagnostics for the ABS on an 02 reg Freelander and how much they charge - then pick one and get the codes read.

If you come back with the codes and description, people can help tell you what they mean.

While you're ringing round you could save yourself some time for future reference and ask how much they charge for a head gasket change!

Nodge68 · Jan 15, 2018

davethebarber said:
Quick update it appears my model is a Braemar model??
Can anyone tell me what that means?

It's an S (3dr) or GS (5dr) with silver paint and privacy glass.

To test the brake warning system, follow this.

Link the contacts at the reservoir plug, making sure the hand brake is off. There is a known problem with the level sensor connection. If the light is still on ,leave the link in place, then unplug the connection at the hand brake lever. If it's still on, this would point to a problem with the ABS ECU or a mechanical problem with the ABS modulator itself.

davethebarber · Jan 15, 2018

Nodge68 said:
It's an S (3dr) or GS (5dr) with silver paint and privacy glass.

To test the brake warning system, follow this.

Link the contacts at the reservoir plug, making sure the hand brake is off. There is a known problem with the level sensor connection. If the light is still on ,leave the link in place, then unplug the connection at the hand brake lever. If it's still on, this would point to a problem with the ABS ECU or a mechanical problem with the ABS modulator itself.

davethebarber · Jan 15, 2018

Yes 5 door with privacy glass and silver paint

davethebarber · Jan 15, 2018

GrumpyGel said:
The handbrake switch is on the hand brake lever - you'll have to probably take the center cover/console off to get to it - you can check the gravity sensor as described above then as well.

What switch are you looking for under the gear lever? There are none. There is HDC switch on the gear lever, IIRC this isn't a clever switch with any self test capability - if the wire's fallen off it (which happens) the only problem that causes is that you can't turn on HDC.

A quick Google of Land Rover Redditch found a number of LR related workshops in your area. I'd give them a call to see if they have diagnostics for the ABS on an 02 reg Freelander and how much they charge - then pick one and get the codes read.

If you come back with the codes and description, people can help tell you what they mean.

While you're ringing round you could save yourself some time for future reference and ask how much they charge for a head gasket change!

Many thanks for the reply.
Problem i have is no mot so cant get it to a local lr workshop.

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