No idea. I haven't popped it apart either. I'm sending it back so don't want to damage it. They're not right out of the box though.
No idea. I haven't popped it apart either. I'm sending it back so don't want to damage it. They're not right out of the box though.
Front prop petrol. Range Rover 2 Front Propshaft at www.rimmerbros.co.uk
Front prop diesel. http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-TVB000130P Neither are phased. Front props on the P38 are NOT phased. The only front props for Range Rover i can find that are phased are ones for the Classics. But carry on. You really don't want to go in the genuine part direction unless you have access to Richard Bransons bank account.
Front prop diesel. http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-TVB000130P Neither are phased. Front props on the P38 are NOT phased. The only front props for Range Rover i can find that are phased are ones for the Classics. But carry on. You really don't want to go in the genuine part direction unless you have access to Richard Bransons bank account.
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The picture of shown on your link Wammers is different to the propshafts I have seen on P38s.
The ridged rubber boot is different so I don't think we can trust the image Rimmer Bros are using. More likely they're just using a generic image of a propshaft for their shop.
Many people all over the world have reported on Land Rover forums that the front prop shaft is phased slightly.
I have three genuine ones here that are all phased.
The picture of the front propshaft in RAVE shows the UJs at either end to be out of alighnment.
I think you're wrong. The evidence that they are phased is pretty compelling.
Constantly stating "Front props on the P38 are NOT phased" in light of this much evidence to the contrary is not going to help people looking for help with this in the future. Or are you arguing semantics?
The ridged rubber boot is different so I don't think we can trust the image Rimmer Bros are using. More likely they're just using a generic image of a propshaft for their shop.
Many people all over the world have reported on Land Rover forums that the front prop shaft is phased slightly.
I have three genuine ones here that are all phased.
The picture of the front propshaft in RAVE shows the UJs at either end to be out of alighnment.
I think you're wrong. The evidence that they are phased is pretty compelling.
Constantly stating "Front props on the P38 are NOT phased" in light of this much evidence to the contrary is not going to help people looking for help with this in the future. Or are you arguing semantics?
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FTC4140 is the front prop from the petrols and manual diesel. TVB000130 is the front prop for the diesel automatic. Neither are phased. Only phased front props on Range rovers are fitted to classics. Range Rover 2 does not have phased props. But carry on, no skin off my nose.
surely the answer is to fit as supplied - if you have vibration or interference problems, then re-phase them (if yu can).
I just want to use the correct part for the job.
Anyone else reading this please don't take Wammers word for this.
There are plenty of P38s out there that left the factory with front propshafts phased. I have 3 genuine P38 propshafts and they are all phased slightly. Photo's are above.
There's plenty of people on other forums have noticed the phasing, looked in to it, and found it to be correct.
Before you fit or refit one in phase please at least read this thread and these before making your decision about it. Genuine LR propshafts only go together one way, so you can't adjust the phase anyway.
Front Driveshaft "phase"
Front proshaft alignment
Front propshaft phase offset
Front drive shaft alignment. - Australian Land Rover Owners
Anyone else reading this please don't take Wammers word for this.
There are plenty of P38s out there that left the factory with front propshafts phased. I have 3 genuine P38 propshafts and they are all phased slightly. Photo's are above.
There's plenty of people on other forums have noticed the phasing, looked in to it, and found it to be correct.
Before you fit or refit one in phase please at least read this thread and these before making your decision about it. Genuine LR propshafts only go together one way, so you can't adjust the phase anyway.
Front Driveshaft "phase"
Front proshaft alignment
Front propshaft phase offset
Front drive shaft alignment. - Australian Land Rover Owners
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It isn't critical, unless it fouls when revolving. Other than that it just affects transmitted vibration.
Shaft Phasing
Shaft Phasing
They have to empty the stock bins somehow. Problem is Land rover supplied genuine P38 front prop shafts are NOT phased. What part of that do you not understand? Classic front prop. http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-FTC122
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Or maybe some props are for more than one model and the "generic" need phasing as required for that model?
Let's see how many are phased and how many aren't. Maybe there's a changeover year?We've lots of cars on here so we should be able to unpick what has been randomly thrown on in Solihull.
Mine's the manual diesel and I think the props are genuine. I'll get under there this evening and take a photo.
Let's see how many are phased and how many aren't. Maybe there's a changeover year?We've lots of cars on here so we should be able to unpick what has been randomly thrown on in Solihull.
Mine's the manual diesel and I think the props are genuine. I'll get under there this evening and take a photo.
Or maybe some props are for more than one model and the "generic" need phasing as required for that model?
Let's see how many are phased and how many aren't. Maybe there's a changeover year?We've lots of cars on here so we should be able to unpick what has been randomly thrown on in Solihull.
Mine's the manual diesel and I think the props are genuine. I'll get under there this evening and take a photo.
There are two front prop shafts listed for P38 Range rovers according to Land rover Microcat. Both the numbers i have already posted. Neither of them is phased. Land rover may have used old stock from the Classic, also owners may have fitted the wrong shaft. It doesn't really matter either way. But if you are looking to buy a new front prop for your car according to VIN, do not expect it to be phased even if the one you remove is.
I understand your statement Wamners. It's just that constantly bleating "P38 front prop shafts are not phased" without any evidence to back up your statement isn't much good to anyone.
Especially when there is loads of evidence around to suggest otherwise. Am I supposed to accept it just because you repeat yourself a lot and start saying "do what you want, it's no skin off my nose"
Mentioning that you think LR may have fitted old classic prop shafts to some P38s at the factory would have helped enormously.
They clearly fitted them to more than just a few if people on several continents have found the same as me.
I'm still suspicious that the illustrations in RAVE show a phased shaft. Can you provide me with any evidence that they shouldn't be phased?
In fact please don't.
Especially when there is loads of evidence around to suggest otherwise. Am I supposed to accept it just because you repeat yourself a lot and start saying "do what you want, it's no skin off my nose"
Mentioning that you think LR may have fitted old classic prop shafts to some P38s at the factory would have helped enormously.
They clearly fitted them to more than just a few if people on several continents have found the same as me.
I'm still suspicious that the illustrations in RAVE show a phased shaft. Can you provide me with any evidence that they shouldn't be phased?
In fact please don't.
How much evidence do you need? Order a new prop, it can only be one of two part numbers according to what model you own, and see what you get. Look at the bloody parts list.
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They were fitted with the wrong front prop shaft then. Simples. As i have repeated ad nauseum. There are only two front prop shafts listed for the P38 and neither of them is phased. If you order a new front prop from the VIN number of your car you WILL NOT get a phased front prop. What part of that do you not understand? If you do get a phased front prop it WILL NOT be the correct part. It will fit and function but is not the correct part. Of course Land rover and their parts list, and all the manufactures who make pattern parts to the part numbers maybe totally wrong, but i doubt it.
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Even the picture in Microcat shows the two ends don't line up but are slightly off.
This is a wind up, and I've fallen for it!
Nice one Wammers, you got me.
So the penny's dropped, nice one Tony. Even when he's wrong he's right.
Even the picture in Microcat shows the two ends don't line up but are slightly off!!
This is a wind up, and I've fallen for it!
Nice one Wammers, you got me.
Crap draftsman. P38 front props are not phased.
What part of the first two looks phased?
Prop Shaft - P38 Diesel Automatic - Front - Aftermarket at www.rimmerbros.co.uk Diesel auto.
Propshaft Assembly - Front - Aftermarket at www.rimmerbros.co.uk Petrol and diesel manual.
This is phased.
Front Propshaft - Aftermarket at www.rimmerbros.co.uk 3.5 V8 Classic 1988 and on Borge warner transfer box.
Prop Shaft - P38 Diesel Automatic - Front - Aftermarket at www.rimmerbros.co.uk Diesel auto.
Propshaft Assembly - Front - Aftermarket at www.rimmerbros.co.uk Petrol and diesel manual.
This is phased.
Front Propshaft - Aftermarket at www.rimmerbros.co.uk 3.5 V8 Classic 1988 and on Borge warner transfer box.
No part of the first two look phased.
They look like they're after market ones not genuine ones fitted by Land Rover at the factory. They're also just photos on a shops website, not official documentation from the manufacturer.
Looking at the diagrams in RAVE, in Microcat, looking at actual parts taken off actual P38s and comparing them to the aftermarket parts you're showing us here, and on top of that countless other people's experiences I'd say they're wrong. As are you.
Can we just leave it now? If you can't accept you're mistaken after all this I think you're just never ever ever going to accept it.
Are you religious?
