Pigeon221984

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Hi, I have a 2010 fl2 td4e. I recently broke down get told by the AA that I need a new lift pump, so after many grulling hours by my self in the cold I fitted one and it still won't start. I tested the old pump and it still work perfectly 🤬 so I spoke to some else and they said it could be possible be bad wireing or hopefully the relay had gone bad. I have scoured the internet, the in car manuals, the fuse box diagrams, YouTube and have even purchased a Haynes manual but I'm still yet to find out which relay it is. Can someone please help?
 
I'm not sure if the F2 wiring diagrams are on here, but this is a link to them...


On page 25 you will see that fuel pump takes power from fuse FS22 and Fuel Pump Relay R103 both in the passenger compartment fuse box.

You can follow that wiring back further to see what other fuses or relays it is dependent on.

Actually I wrote this out earlier and subsequently found a link in LZ to what may be the same docs.

 
Morning, thank you for information, When you say passage side fuse box do you mean the one in the engine bay on the passenger side or the one in the passenger side foot well?

Thanks Russell
 
Morning, thank you for information, When you say passage side fuse box do you mean the one in the engine bay on the passenger side or the one in the passenger side foot well?

Thanks Russell
HI Russell.
Passenger side compartment usually means inside the car, otherwise it's engine fuse box.
 
Hi, I have a 2010 fl2 td4e. I recently broke down get told by the AA that I need a new lift pump, so after many grulling hours by my self in the cold I fitted one and it still won't start. I tested the old pump and it still work perfectly 🤬 so I spoke to some else and they said it could be possible be bad wireing or hopefully the relay had gone bad. I have scoured the internet, the in car manuals, the fuse box diagrams, YouTube and have even purchased a Haynes manual but I'm still yet to find out which relay it is. Can someone please help?
The Freelander 2 doesn't have an electric lift pump. The pump in the tank is a transfer pump, which is only there to pump fuel from one side of the tank to the other, as the propshaft goes through the middle of the tank, splitting it into two separate sections below about ¼ on the gauge.

Normally a failed transfer pump causes fuel starvation once the fuel level goes below approximately ¼ full. If it's above that level, there isn't a need for the pump.

The tank transfer pump doesn't run unless it's needed, so if the tank has more than â…“ of a tank, the pump won't run anyway.

I'm curious as to who diagnosed a none existing lift pump?
 
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Hi, took a picture of the pump in the tank that I replaced. This pulls fuel from the other side and pumps it to the high pressure fuel pump on on the engine. Both sides of the tank were equally full when the problem occurred and I had in between half a tank and three quarters of a tank left. The tank empty now it is still not kicking in 😞. It was AA that said it the pump which is knackered and then a friend of mine said there should be a 12 volt feed to it but I'm only getting five volts. Thanks Russell
 

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I'm not sure if the F2 wiring diagrams are on here, but this is a link to them...


On page 25 you will see that fuel pump takes power from fuse FS22 and Fuel Pump Relay R103 both in the passenger compartment fuse box.

You can follow that wiring back further to see what other fuses or relays it is dependent on.

Actually I wrote this out earlier and subsequently found a link in LZ to what may be the same docs.

Hi I've found fuse 22 in the passenger compartment fuse box but there is no relays in that area, I've taken a picture of it. I've checked every fuse box compartment and there is no relay labelled R103 so im not sure where it is. Thanks
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Hi I've found fuse 22 in the passenger compartment fuse box but there is no relays in that area, I've taken a picture of it. I've checked every fuse box compartment and there is no relay labelled R103 so im not sure where it is. Thanks View attachment 332465
As its not broken, or at least it looks like its not causing your problem, you don't really need to find it.
 
Hi, took a picture of the pump in the tank that I replaced. This pulls fuel from the other side and pumps it to the high pressure fuel pump on on the engine. Both sides of the tank were equally full when the problem occurred and I had in between half a tank and three quarters of a tank left. The tank empty now it is still not kicking in 😞. It was AA that said it the pump which is knackered and then a friend of mine said there should be a 12 volt feed to it but I'm only getting five volts. Thanks Russell
I'm sorry but the pump in the tank doesn't, or shouldn't pump fuel to the HP pump, as there is a lift pump as part of the HP pump assembly. This is the same for all PSA DW12 engine vehicles, which don't need a tank lift pump. The Freelander 2 is a bit unusual, as the tank is bisected by the propshaft, so needed a transfer pump to equalise the fuel levels across the "saddle" sections of the tank. The transfer pump will only function when the fuel levels dictate it needs to run.
However as yours stopped running while there was ½ a tank of fuel, it's moot anyway, as the engine should run fine without the transfer pump running.
I'd suggest there's another issue with the engine, but not knowing how the engine stopped (a fuel problem in these normally causes a gradual loss of power), which might help identify the issue. At the moment, I think messing with the tank pump isn't going to help.
 
I'm sorry but the pump in the tank doesn't, or shouldn't pump fuel to the HP pump, as there is a lift pump as part of the HP pump assembly. This is the same for all PSA DW12 engine vehicles, which don't need a tank lift pump. The Freelander 2 is a bit unusual, as the tank is bisected by the propshaft, so needed a transfer pump to equalise the fuel levels across the "saddle" sections of the tank. The transfer pump will only function when the fuel levels dictate it needs to run.
However as yours stopped running while there was ½ a tank of fuel, it's moot anyway, as the engine should run fine without the transfer pump running.
I'd suggest there's another issue with the engine, but not knowing how the engine stopped (a fuel problem in these normally causes a gradual loss of power), which might help identify the issue. At the moment, I think messing with the tank pump isn't going to help.

Hi, I've manually tested the pump in the tank and it doesn't lift the fuel like you said. The car just stopped abruptly without warning, with a message on the dash saying limited power. I have taken the fuel pipe off before the filter and turned the engine over and nothing is being pump up but when I put a hand fuel pump on there it brings it up just fine. I've checked the whole fuel line from tank to HP pump and there is no other pumps at all which I'm confused at now as how does the fuel get pumped to engine?

thanks
 
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Hi, I've manually tested the pump in the tank and it doesn't lift the fuel like you said. The car just stopped abruptly without warning, with a message on the dash saying limited power. I have taken the fuel pipe off before the filter and turned the engine over and nothing is being pump up but when I put a hand fuel pump on there it brings it up just fine. I've checked the whole fuel line from tank to HP pump and there is no other pumps at all which I'm confused at now as how does the fuel get pumped to engine?

thanks
As I said previously, the engine has a mechanical HP pump which has a positive displacement lift pump inside the HP pump body that pulls the fuel from the tank, just that same as an old fashioned sequential diesel injection pump does. There is no electrical pump pushing fuel to the HP pump, it's all suction operated.
Now you've disconnected to the fuel line to the filter, it's possible that air will be drawn in, which normally needs pumping through with a special hand operated pumping bulb.

If the engine just cut out, it suggests something more than a fuel issue, as fuel problems on a diesel seldom stop it dead. If it cut out and showed a limited power message, then it's best to read the stored codes.
At a guess it could be the crank sensor, turbo actuator, or throttle body gears stripped.
 
As I said previously, the engine has a mechanical HP pump which has a positive displacement lift pump inside the HP pump body that pulls the fuel from the tank, just that same as an old fashioned sequential diesel injection pump does. There is no electrical pump pushing fuel to the HP pump, it's all suction operated.
Now you've disconnected to the fuel line to the filter, it's possible that air will be drawn in, which normally needs pumping through with a special hand operated pumping bulb.

If the engine just cut out, it suggests something more than a fuel issue, as fuel problems on a diesel seldom stop it dead. If it cut out and showed a limited power message, then it's best to read the stored codes.
At a guess it could be the crank sensor, turbo actuator, or throttle body gears stripped.
Why would a throttle body's gears being stripped cut the engine?

As I see it, the main purpose of the throttle body is to close thus starving the engine of air/oxygen and thus shutting down quickly rather than spluttering to a close when turning off.

If the engine was running, this implies the 'throttle' is open, so would have no effect on a running engine. I can see how if it was closed and could not open, that the engine could not start.

I believe it also has a purpose in controlling air flow for emissions, possibly dragging air through the EGR. If its gears were stripped, or its sensing tracks break, I can see why the engine might want to save the planet and go into limp mode, but not cut out.
 
As I said previously, the engine has a mechanical HP pump which has a positive displacement lift pump inside the HP pump body that pulls the fuel from the tank, just that same as an old fashioned sequential diesel injection pump does. There is no electrical pump pushing fuel to the HP pump, it's all suction operated.
Now you've disconnected to the fuel line to the filter, it's possible that air will be drawn in, which normally needs pumping through with a special hand operated pumping bulb.

If the engine just cut out, it suggests something more than a fuel issue, as fuel problems on a diesel seldom stop it dead. If it cut out and showed a limited power message, then it's best to read the stored codes.
At a guess it could be the crank sensor, turbo actuator, or throttle body gears stripped.
Hi, I read your previous message wrong that why I was looks for a 3rd pump, I have prime the fuel upto the fuel filter now. I've ran diagnostics and no codes have come up, I've purchased both cam and crank sensors and I'm going to replace to tomorrow to rule them out. I will let you know if anything changes. Thanks
 

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