sijwhite
Active Member
Ha! Wasn't a criticism BTW...
This 101 specification does mean that in 225/55R17, all the usual 97 Load Index tyres have to be ruled out for the MY 2006 Freelander TD4 or V6 - that means Goodyear Wrangler F1, Hankook Ventus RH06, Pirelli Scorpion STR, ContiCrossContact UHP, General Grabber UHP, Uniroyal Rallye 4x4 Street, Yokohama Geolandar H/T-S shouldn't be used if one wants to comply with the Land Rover spec.
I rang up Bridgestone and they said that although the Dueler H/P Sport in 225/55R17 is only on their website as a 97, there is a 101 version as well.
Including that, after a lot of looking around, I have generated this A List for the 101 rated 225/55R17 mainly road tyres:
These others are my B List in 101 but not sure if they are really more for cars rather than 4x4s, and only the Toyo is All Season, although some are recommended for Freelander (possibly just because the tyre manufacturer has that size):
- Michelin Latitude Tour HP
- Bridgestone Dueler H/P Sport (101)
- Kuhmo Ecsta SPT KU31
- Kuhmo Ecsta RV KU32
- Matador MP85 Hectorra (Matador - Slovakian - are now part of Continental)
- Yokohama Advan ST V802
- Falken ZIEW ZE912 (part of Goodyear Dunlop)
- Fulda Tramp 4x4 H
And there are some 101 winter tyres in this size:
- Kleber Hydraxer (Summer tyre, part of Michelin)
- Toyo Open Country H/T (All Season highway tyre)
- Vredestein Ultrac Cento (summer)
- Dunlop SP Sport 01 (Summer)
- Firestone SZ90μ (Summer)
- Firestone Winterhawk Evo2 (Summer)
- Semperit Speed-Life (summer tyre, part of Continental)
- Semperit Speed Grip (winter but claimed good in snow & wet)
The Latitude is well known, expensive, and what LR recommend to replace Synchrones (in sets of four)
- Vredestein Wintrac xtreme (not the Wintrac4 Extreme because it is only 97 rated)
- Cooper Weathermaster Snow
. Trouble is, a lot of these don't have good reviews or have hardly any at all. Anyone have experience of them, particularly those on my A List? I know that someone said before that the Dueler was ok. The Matador looked interesting because it's probably £115-£125 fitted and presumably Continental wouldn't let them make duff tyres but is it any good?
I went through the same process as you (except I didn't speak to LR). I eventually bought The Michelin Latitude Tour HP as being the closest tyre to the Synchrones originally fitted.
The Latitude Tour HP is, so far, brilliant. They have transformed the handling of the car in comparison to the Synchrones, they're quiet and offer good grip (at least so far). I've done getting on for 10K miles on them so far and I'm happy with my choice.
I wondered about that too. The first of the Freelander 2s, launched later in 2006 also had a GVW of 2505kg albeit with a Gross Train of 4505kg rather than 4080. I suspect that they were trying out a higher max rear axle load in the last of the FL1s prior to launching the FL2, but whether it was actually a stronger axle I do not know.
My handbook actually says Maximum Trailer Weight unbraked 750kg, braked 2000Kg. But then it says Gross Train Weight (with over-run brakes) Diesel engine 2.0 4080 kg. So they have used the pre-2006 GVW to calculate that.
The Law http://assets.dft.gov.uk/publications/dft-information-sheets/requirements-for-trailers.pdf says
"It is possible that the stated gross train weight is less than the sum of the stated maximum permissible laden weight of the towing vehicle and the stated maximum permissible laden trailer weight. In this case the towing vehicle and the trailer must be loaded such that each does not exceed its individual maximum limit and the sum of both does not exceed the maximum gross train weight."
So it shouldn't make any difference whether the vehicle has the 2080 or 2505KG GVW.
Although I need to take a paracetamol every time I look at this stuff...
Many thanks sijw. First response I've had since I put that up 16 months ago!
I'll bear the Latitudes in mind for the future. What I did in the end was to get some secondhand little-worn 2006 Synchrone 101Hs privately from a guy in Scotland on the basis that with your weather they would have been less susceptible to sidewall cracking! Next time I'll have to buy new, though, due to the age.
Hippo
Lord Hippo
I think the figures I quoted came from the sales catalogue for the year. Can't remember as it was a while ago.
Dougden
Active Member
I make you right and I am not disputing anything you originally posted.
I just could not work out why mine being a 54 facelift wasn't the same axel weights as the newer 06 facelift but tbh I am ok with the info and will be using the 97W's from tomorrow.
Sorry to re-open this confusing issue but it put me straight
mines a 05 plate and the info on my door is
Front axle 1110Kg
Rear axle 1120Kg
Gross vehicle 2080Kg
Gross train 4080Kg
original tyres were Synchrones 101 (spare tyre is this)
now latitudes 101 7mm tread left on them
i do have a brand new Synchrone 101 on the spare this will be available when i had some new tyres.
lee
Front axle 1110Kg
Rear axle 1120Kg
Gross vehicle 2080Kg
Gross train 4080Kg
original tyres were Synchrones 101 (spare tyre is this)
now latitudes 101 7mm tread left on them
i do have a brand new Synchrone 101 on the spare this will be available when i had some new tyres.
lee
Hippo
Lord Hippo
No problem. Just wanted to put where I think I got the info. There's no problme in opening old freds. :tea:I make you right and I am not disputing anything you originally posted.
I just could not work out why mine being a 54 facelift wasn't the same axel weights as the newer 06 facelift but tbh I am ok with the info and will be using the 97W's from tomorrow.
Sorry to re-open this confusing issue but it put me straight
Grayo
Active Member
Hi All,
This thread has got me a bit worried at the moment. I have an 06my freelander 1 and also tow a caravan with an MTPLM of 1600kg. I have recently just changed my four tyres for pirelli Scorpion STR's 225/55/17 I have two of the original michelin synchrones tyres in my garage that were on the car when I bought it from new so will check them tomorrow for load rating.
This thread has got me a bit worried at the moment. I have an 06my freelander 1 and also tow a caravan with an MTPLM of 1600kg. I have recently just changed my four tyres for pirelli Scorpion STR's 225/55/17 I have two of the original michelin synchrones tyres in my garage that were on the car when I bought it from new so will check them tomorrow for load rating.
Nodge68
Well-Known Member
My 2001 V6 is still on it's original Wranglers!! They are 98 with a V speed rating.
Grayo: My 2006 MY TD4 was registered May 2006, it's an 06. Check your B pillar. If it has a 2505 Kg GVW and a 1120 Kg Max Rear axle then iit's like mine, and presumably LR would tell you the same as me: 101 Load Rating.
They said: "The gross vehicle weight was increased as a programme change for the 2006 model year Freelander. The load index for your tyres is therefore correspondingly higher. The tyres fitted as original equipment to your vehicle are correct for the weight of that car (2505 kg) and the 101 load index for the recommended tyres is correct...."
I then wrote to LR, urging them to issue a bulletin to all the tyre manufacturers as well as LR dealers that the Load Index should be 101 not 97 for Model Year 2006 (because there is nothing plated on the vehicle or in the handbook about Load Index specs, and this was for 225/55/17). This was supposedly passed to the 'relevant team' but goodness knows whether anything was done....
If you are concerned, call LR, give them you VIN number,and request the Load Index specification. This is a nonsense, isn't it, all they had to do was put a label on the vehicle?
Tyre loading aside, it seems that it's the Max Gross Train Weight that's important http://assets.dft.gov.uk/publication...r-trailers.pdf.
