saxavordian
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Sadly we've been cursed with the wet brigade, who faint at the word diesel or petroleum products. Regardless of what vehicle that burns fuel you will get stung. Alternatively buying and car under 1ltr design for very very thin vegan drivers.
No disrespect mate, but this is a land rover forum, we like land rovers and we aren't interested in those noncey little shopping trolley types of transport appliances that get a tax exemption. If you're wanting to ditch your landy and get new go look at this autotrader search you should be doing the searching yourself. But I assuming you were incabpable of such acts of gumption, I put together for you. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-se...rom=500&year-from=2007&annual-tax-cars=TO_185
Nodge68
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It's all relative. A large vehicle like the Freelander will cost more in RFL. The FL2 to me seems pretty cheap, as I was paying more for the FL1 TD4 auto the FL2 replaced.
I'd rather pay a bit more RFL, knowing I've plenty of space in the vehicle, and that it's safe for the family to travel in, which the FL2 is.
Nodge68
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A small diesel engine, in a small car will have lower emissions, so has lower a RFL to match.
The FL2 is a £35,000+(new price), 2 Ton, high riding vehicle, which is designed to do a job, above and beyond that of a small econobox, so it costs a few extra £ per month for the RFL. If it comes to the crunch, and I'm unfortunately in an accident (pun intended), I'd rather the family be in the Freelander 2, over any normal car, and with the standard of driving these days, a crunch could only be 1 corner away.
Before the Dieselgate 'scandal', governments (and consumers) were misled into believing that newer diesel vehicles were greener vehicles in terms of all the emissions produced. Certain models/years of FL2 TD4 offer quite favourable tax rates compared to the older FL1 TD4, largely because of this notion, and CO2/km emissions being lower. It got to a point for some standard 'road' vehicles with the CO2 emissions below 100 g/km to fall into Band A, where RFL was £0 each year. In 2017 they stopped that scheme, as the tide opinion was turning against the users of diesel.
As others have said, only relatively smaller road cars were able to achieve that kind of efficiency, and with the added height and mass of a family size 4x4, the thought of achieving under 100g/km CO2 emissions is a challenging ask.
It's always hurtful having to part with hundreds of pounds of hard earned cash at that time of year to pay the RFL. It's over £300 on my 19 year old FL1 TD4. But the way I look at it is that it would not even cover the cost of one month's PCP payment on a newer vehicle. So yes, I could have newer vehicle that I'd be paying much less tax on, but the cost of depreciation (ok perhaps not so much at the moment with market prices), would outweigh any tax savings. And then I'm back into having a vehicle that requires expensive main stealer servicing and maintenance. Additionally, as Nodge says, there is value in paying to drive a more substantial vehicle that is a more comfortable and safer drive, and has a specific use.
It's an unfortunate evil of wanting to drive these vehicles.
Nodge68
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There's not much in it is there? And going from a FL2 to an early FL1 would be a culture shock.
The g/km number seems to vary from 158g/km to 224g/km depending on year & which TD4 engine & gearbox combo. That makes quite a difference in tax.
Presumably the government use the correct model, but who knows maybe it's the average ? https://car-emissions.com/cars/index/freelander td4/page:2/sort:Year/direction:asc
Presumably the government use the correct model, but who knows maybe it's the average ? https://car-emissions.com/cars/index/freelander td4/page:2/sort:Year/direction:asc
This is a great point. In fact, family safety is the reason why I bought mine, so cheers for this. Excellent reminder!A small diesel engine, in a small car will have lower emissions, so has lower a RFL to match.
The FL2 is a £35,000+(new price), 2 Ton, high riding vehicle, which is designed to do a job, above and beyond that of a small econobox, so it costs a few extra £ per month for the RFL. If it comes to the crunch, and I'm unfortunately in an accident (pun intended), I'd rather the family be in the Freelander 2, over any normal car, and with the standard of driving these days, a crunch could only be 1 corner away.
I did not realise they were so heavy.
Nodge68
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Which, Freelander 1 or 2?
Actually there's not a huge amount in it between the heaviest of both models.
Freelander04
Member
We only pay £20 a year on my wife's Fiat 500L, 1.4 and it's been a great motor. Good size, quick enough ish... Only issue is you can't tow anything so when we hit the caravan this summer its back to the trusted FL1 TD4.
Nodge68
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My daughters Fiat 500 1.4 Sport is £30 per year, but its a cheap pile of junk.
I'd rather pay £26 per month on RFL and have the better build quality of my Freelander.
300bhp/ton
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Seriously wtf!!!
Christ, what a nobber. You bothered to come on here and type that. Moronic.
300bhp/ton
Well-Known Member
Considering the cost of vehicles, parts, fuel. Isn’t it moronic to be worrying about £29/month for road tax??
Plenty of vehicles costing 2 or 3 times more a month to tax.
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