Scrappage schemes are just generally a bad idea, but it does get some cars off the road (and often these have been vehicles that enthusiasts might have wanted to save, with plenty of good life left in them).

What the scrappage scheme isn't is environmentally friendly. The carbon released in their original manufacture is now historical - and it makes sense to make sure that this historical carbon hit is well used now. Buying a new EV does nothing to mitigate this. It substantially adds to the manufacturing carbon cost.

The London ULEZ scheme is purely about local air quality, and that is it. If that is the true name of the game, then it would make most sense to facilitate "cleaning up" of older cars - not inhibiting that process and effectively enforcing the purchase of newer vehicles through the application of daily use fines.

The politicians are on the "EV train", which I get to a point (lowest emissions at point of use), but aren't going to be the best option for everyone while this option is expensive and out of reach for the majority.
 
Scrappage scheme doesn't really help anyone that actually needs it. The average person with a non-compliant car is probably not in a position to buy a new car. Most options only qualify you for £2000 towards a new car, not a newer compliant used car !!
 
rob_bell said:
Scrappage schemes are just generally a bad idea, but it does get some cars off the road (and often these have been vehicles that enthusiasts might have wanted to save, with plenty of good life left in them).

What the scrappage scheme isn't is environmentally friendly. The carbon released in their original manufacture is now historical - and it makes sense to make sure that this historical carbon hit is well used now. Buying a new EV does nothing to mitigate this. It substantially adds to the manufacturing carbon cost.

The London ULEZ scheme is purely about local air quality, and that is it. If that is the true name of the game, then it would make most sense to facilitate "cleaning up" of older cars - not inhibiting that process and effectively enforcing the purchase of newer vehicles through the application of daily use fines.

The politicians are on the "EV train", which I get to a point (lowest emissions at point of use), but aren't going to be the best option for everyone while this option is expensive and out of reach for the majority.
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Yep, the EV agenda. Telling the efficiency would be 90%, but how they get there they don't. Both scrappage and ULEZ are for money lenders and -makers only. If it would be for clean air there would be other possibilities to achieve it as you said.
 
For a scrappage scheme to work, then a new compliant vehicle needs to be provided in exchange for a noncompliance vehicle.
By offering a token amount to scrap a perfectly serviceable vehicle makes the scheme pointless.
On a different note.
I was shocked at the vehicles that were scrapped in the last national scappage scheme.
You wouldn't believe the numbers of valuable, historic and rare vehicles that were sent off for scrap. Many of them worth several times the scrappage value given at trade in.
It was an absolute disgrace, which should have had rules preventing scrapping historic vehicles.
 
I'm quite pro EV myself.
One thing I love about the concept is the power can come from anywhere. It's not restricted to driving to a petrol station to fill with fuel, the price and availability of which is controlled by mega corporations.
Electricity on the other hand can come from many sources, be that solar at home, a home made solar or wind charging station, or from the grid. I like it that an EV isn't dependent on energy from a single source.
 
rob_bell said:
Scrappage schemes are just generally a bad idea, but it does get some cars off the road (and often these have been vehicles that enthusiasts might have wanted to save, with plenty of good life left in them).

What the scrappage scheme isn't is environmentally friendly. The carbon released in their original manufacture is now historical - and it makes sense to make sure that this historical carbon hit is well used now. Buying a new EV does nothing to mitigate this. It substantially adds to the manufacturing carbon cost.

The London ULEZ scheme is purely about local air quality, and that is it. If that is the true name of the game, then it would make most sense to facilitate "cleaning up" of older cars - not inhibiting that process and effectively enforcing the purchase of newer vehicles through the application of daily use fines.

The politicians are on the "EV train", which I get to a point (lowest emissions at point of use), but aren't going to be the best option for everyone while this option is expensive and out of reach for the majority.
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