Nodge68 · Jun 17, 2018

Alibro said:
What form of witch craft is this you speak of?
As Nodge says, it ain't only exhaust fumes causing the gunk to build up

Very little of the gunk in the inlet manifold is from exhaust fumes. It's 90% oil from the turbo, which is partially burned. This is why it's so gloopy and difficult to shift. If you look at the exhaust link pipe to the EGR, you'll see it's hardly dirty at all.
In my experience, EGR cleaner products are just snake oil and nothing more. The only sure way to clean the EGR valve and manifold by washing out with a solvent like kerosene or petrol.

mbrokof · Jun 19, 2018

Nodge68 said:
Very little of the gunk in the inlet manifold is from exhaust fumes. It's 90% oil from the turbo, which is partially burned. This is why it's so gloopy and difficult to shift. If you look at the exhaust link pipe to the EGR, you'll see it's hardly dirty at all.
In my experience, EGR cleaner products are just snake oil and nothing more. The on sure way to clean the EGR valve and manifold by washing out with a solvent like kerosene or petrol.

Thanks Nodge68, that makes sense with the petrol. Not sure anymore what I used, but it didn’t help that time.

mbrokof · Jun 20, 2018

Alibro said:
What form of witch craft is this you speak of? ...
As a lazy sod who has no interest in ever cleaning an EGR or inlet manifold ever again I'm watching with interest.

No witch craft, just energy I think like Tesla;-) and that it’s called room energy. It‘s a piece of metall, energetically treated and that splits the molecules of the diesel for better burning/combustion and less smoke emissions.

hd3 · Jun 20, 2018

uh oh .. time for ..

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it’s called room energy. It‘s a piece of metall, energetically treated and that splits the molecules of the diesel for better burning/combustion and less smoke emissions.

so far googling that info just brings up articles about feng shui :-/
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Alibro · Jun 20, 2018

mbrokof said:
No witch craft, just energy I think like Tesla;-) and that it’s called room energy. It‘s a piece of metall, energetically treated and that splits the molecules of the diesel for better burning/combustion and less smoke emissions.

Now I'm more confused than ever.

Nodge68 · Jun 20, 2018

mbrokof said:
It‘s a piece of metall, energetically treated and that splits the molecules of the diesel for better burning/combustion and less smoke emissions.

It can't happen. It's all BS.

Alibro said:
Now I'm more confused than ever.

Don't be Ali. It's snake oil in it's purest form.

Alibro · Jun 20, 2018

Nodge68 said:
It can't happen. It's all BS.

Don't be Ali. It's snake oil in it's purest form.

Awww, that sucks!

I was hoping the magical pixes would gobble up all the nasty soot and oil in my EGR and inlet manifold so I wouldn't have to clean them again.

Hippo · Jun 20, 2018

Use a magnet instead

Nodge68 · Jun 21, 2018

Hippo said:
Use a magnet instead

Snake oil in it's solid form. Nice thinking Hippo.

Alibro · Jun 21, 2018

Hippo said:
Use a magnet instead

Nodge68 said:
Snake oil in it's solid form. Nice thinking Hippo.

Woo Hoo! I got loads of magnets.
OK, so do we go N-N, N-S, S-S or S-N? I wouldn't want to turn the electrons the wrong way, might make the car go backwards.

mbrokof · Jun 21, 2018

Nodge68 said:
It can't happen. It's all BS.
...

If you say so! Obviously you know it better, then tell why not? Ever tested it, ever used it? Guess it's that it can't be what it's not supposed to be, or?

Alibro said:
Now I'm more confused than ever.

Alibro said:
Woo Hoo! I got loads of magnets.
OK, so do we go N-N, N-S, S-S or S-N? I wouldn't want to turn the electrons the wrong way, might make the car go backwards.

No need to, don't understand it myself completely. Bought it and tested it, having 4 smoke emission tests and fuel receipts where it was under 7L/100km or around 41Mi/Gal consumption at a speed of 110-15 km/h on the motorway in between till I forgot to put the MAP plug on after I cleaned it.

Alibro · Jun 21, 2018

mbrokof said:
If you say so! Obviously you know it better, then tell why not? Ever tested it, ever used it? Guess it's that it can't be what it's not supposed to be. Could explain it maybe why it's working, but you wouldn't believe that either, I assume.

No need to, don't understand it myself completely. Bought it and tested it, having 4 smoke emission tests and fuel receipts where it was under 7L/100km or around 41Mi/Gal at a speed of 110-15 km/h on the motorway in between till I forgot to put the MAP plug on after I cleaned it.

Only having a bit of fun. There have been lots of 'snake oil' magic MPG enhancers mentioned here and most of them have had more to do with the owner having a lighter foot after fitting them than the device itself.
After all if it was that easy then the manufacturers would have already fitted them. It's in the best interest of car makers to be able to claim higher MPG. The head of VW is in prison for making his cars have better MPG by cheating the emissions tests.
Yes it was emissions they were trying to cheat but the reason they did so was so their cars would have better MPG.

teddywood1 · Jun 21, 2018

well I was beginning to understand it all then mbrokof mentioned Km then I lost it but I must add you can not called a pasty Cornish unless it came from there. LOL

Nodge68 · Jun 21, 2018

mbrokof said:
If you say so! Obviously you know it better, then tell why not? Ever tested it, ever used it? Guess it's that it can't be what it's not supposed to be, or?

There's been claims and tests of magnets on fuel for years. It's been proven time and time again that it's nothing but smake oil. A magnetic field does as little to fuel in the fuel line just as it does to rheumatism in a human wrist.

But it's your car. You do what you like, but when it doesn't work, you'll know why I say it's snake oil.
Don't take my word for it.
Read the wiki pages on the subject yourself. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_saving_device.

teddywood1 · Jun 21, 2018

I remember years ago when you could get 4 gallons for a £1 yes it was that low if you wanted 1 gallon it was 5 shilling and 2 pence people started to come out with “miracle” things then and nothing ever work the only thing that will work is a well looked after car like regular maintenance no breaks binding and a bit less of the go pedal believe me I have been driving leagaly for very nearly 52 years after getting my licence and if there was anything out there I would have thought I would have heard about it but have not there have been a lot of get rich things for the inventor but nothing else believe me.

Alibro · Jun 21, 2018

mbrokof said:
If you say so! Obviously you know it better, then tell why not? Ever tested it, ever used it? Guess it's that it can't be what it's not supposed to be, or?

No need to, don't understand it myself completely. Bought it and tested it, having 4 smoke emission tests and fuel receipts where it was under 7L/100km or around 41Mi/Gal consumption at a speed of 110-15 km/h on the motorway in between till I forgot to put the MAP plug on after I cleaned it.

The human brain is a miraculous thing and the placebo effect is real, people are healed by taking drugs they believe will work whether the drugs are real or not. Likewise people fit devices to their cars and all of a sudden they are getting more MPG. But the big question is are they driving exactly the same as they were before.
If you want to prove 100% the device you are using is making a difference then ask a friend to remove it sometime in the next couple of months when you are not around. That way you will not know if it is fitted or not and your driving style will not change.

Nodge68 · Jun 21, 2018

Alibro said:
The head of VW is in prison for making his cars have better MPG by cheating the emissions tests.

And the press sold it to the world that he was cheating the owners. In fact he was saving those owner's money they would have spent on more fuel. The real irony is, the "cheated" VW engine was actually putting out lower CO2 levels.

Those vehicles that were corrected are returning 10% worse MPG figures.
As far as I understand, it was the NOX levels that were too high. This is no different to how a diesel engine runs, once the EGR valve bypass is fitted.
It's all wrong and the poor VW boss is doing time because he got prosecuted by people who know little of the science involved.

teddywood1 · Jun 21, 2018

The only two things that were any good was 1 a metal tube inserted in one of the heater hoses that had a plastic container and with it being inserted into the heater hose it warmed up the water for the windscreen washers 2 also at the same time you could buy a clip on windscreen wiper extension so that the water now heated would go straight where is was needed , they were good a bit like the back screen wiper on the freelander but I have not seen any for years.

Alibro · Jun 21, 2018

Nodge68 said:
And the press sold it to the world that he was cheating the owners. In fact he was saving those owner's money they would have spent on more fuel. The real irony is, the "cheated" VW engine was actually putting out lower CO2 levels.

Those vehicles that were corrected are returning 10% worse MPG figures.
As far as I understand, it was the NOX levels that were too high. This is no different to how a diesel engine runs, once the EGR valve bypass is fitted.
It's all wrong and the poor VW boss is doing time because he got prosecuted by people who know little of the science involved.

Unfortunately when it comes to the law, common sense is irrelevant.

mbrokof · Jun 23, 2018

Alibro said:
Unfortunately when it comes to the law, common sense is irrelevant.

Sorry, if I disturbed your world view

Some fun for the weekend

Is it really placebo or have we been indoctrinated with the word placebo and a meaning to confuse us and our clear mind?

I recently watched a video from a bloke in Germany who developed a heating from pipes with some oil and ribs from aluminum or so and heated it up to 80 deg. C, by putting a plug into thesocket for a minute.

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