My only thought is that you still need to do live data readings via a Nanocom, a Foxwell, or another diagnostic that CAN communicate with the engine's ECM.
helmuth van es
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Thanks again ! much appreciated, I went to our very competent mechanic, and with Famous Four conclude what you conclude. The problem is that we need to get the right diagnostic, per your advise. He tried three of the diagnostic tools he has: he can see the ABS, the brakes etc all good, but no readings on the engine. Now this is not unusual as you know better then me but we need the right diagnostic in the area of Albi, Castres, Cordes, Gaillac in France.
Anybody reading this that has one that we can use, rent or what have you ?
helmuth van es
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Sorry ?
Well I have a Foxwell but sadly we are off back to the UK tomorrow or else I'd have met up with you somewhere and we could have had a bash at it. Thinking about it, my next door neighbour, who is a Land Rover nut has a Nanocom and although he doesn't know you I could ask him if he wants to help.
I'll email him and see if he is happy to take your email address which you could private message to me and then you could both take it from there? OK?
helmuth van es
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Hi Stanley, well that would be great as long as he or she is not too far away but very much appreciate it !
helmuth van es
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Stanley That would be great as long as he or she is not too far, much appreciated, how do I private message you ? thanks
Top right hand corner of each page next to the bell is an envelope. Click on that and you should be able to work it out. Email sent a second ago.
He is in Labrespy, Mazamet. If you google Labrespy you'll find it straight away as there is only one in the world.
tottot
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Last spring my Ninety had symptoms of engine shaking on start up. It was still running fine just a bit of extra vibration, however on startup the engine could be seen shaking quite a lot. Being a 200tdi no electronic stuff to check
Although no mounts were broken a new set sorted the problem. Worth a look?
helmuth van es
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It is a bit far, almost 2 hour drive
but let's see I messaged youHi, I am registred on Landyzone. But I can spreak only only french and write/read english. Tanks you google tradition.It is a bit far, almost 2 hour drive
helmuth van es
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Bonjour Alain merci je parle français mais pas comme complètement couramment. Je vais vous envoyer un email. Merci !
helmuth van es
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Hi I ran the nanocom kindly lent by Alain and got one error message initially : 3,7 airflow circuit logged high. It appeared to be an old error we think. Then trying to start it, it did not, we did get an error 28,1 injector 1 peak charge short. But we then checked the fuel filter, which was not replaced even though I thought the mechanic did, I went with a friend who has a TD5 Defender. We led it bled and then started and it started and I let it run for a couple of minutes. in the end it started to misbehave a little and initially there was black smoke coming from the muffler. So we thought it was a filter with water accumulating and perhaps dirt. He said the filter was not very dirty at all.... Today the mechanic replaced the filter, purged according to protocol, it runs for 10 seconds he says and then it stops. I will go with the nanocom tomorrow and see what error message it gives if at all, I am very surprised but now I am worried it is an injector after all. Any expert feedback on the error messages ? thanks !
sierrafery
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What about what i said about the ECU red plug cos you quoted me but didnt mention anything about that especially that you've got an injector related code?... Can be also leaking injector copper washers so start with that, you can lift them out with an allen key or other improvisation to hook them that special tool is not compulsory http://www.discovery2.co.uk/Injector Seals.html
btw, remove the air bleed valve(buy a new WJN500110 to replace it) in the rear wheel side port of the fuel filter head first and if it's full of gunk like in the pic the washers are confirmed as leaking
btw, remove the air bleed valve(buy a new WJN500110 to replace it) in the rear wheel side port of the fuel filter head first and if it's full of gunk like in the pic the washers are confirmed as leaking
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helmuth van es
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Thanks, no oil in the red ECU plug but loom was replaced, no effect. Apparently no or very little gunk fuel filter. The photos you sent of the air bleed valve, this could cause air in the fuel or gunk? I will do a nanocom test tomorrow again and see what it says now. Others suggest the o ring and washer too of an injector.
sierrafery
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If it's like in the picture means that the injector copper washers are leaking combustion gas into the fuel rail ... if the o-rings are leaking it will be fuel in oil but no engine running issues unless the sump was flooded
helmuth van es
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What are the chances it is the injector 1 itself that is faulty and not the washer or O-rings ?
sierrafery
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See the injector balances at idle with diagnostic tool... a bad injector will have higher value at the beginning while the others will try to compensate and all the values will start rising... if they are all moving within +/- 4 it's OK
helmuth van es
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What are the chances it is the injector 1 itself that is faulty and not the washer or O-rings ?
Thanks ! I understand but what does that mean, ah you are saying it could be a faulty injector 1 and the 4 remaining ones compensate. But it does not start anymore now, only once with new fuel filter and ran for 10 secs and then it did not start anymore. When we bled the old fuel filter it ran for a few minutes until I turned it off. Could that mean it is not then injector(s) but for example the fuel pressure regulator ?
sierrafery
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It could mean to rule out the copper washers first
