Firebobby1 said:
This is crazy and needs bringing to the attention of the general public. I would contact as many news papers as poss and shout long and hard.
If this is a known issue with their engineering, it needs sorting.
Not exactly a 15k fiesta, these were/are sold as prestigious motor's and JLR can't just sweep it under the carpet.
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Its not exactly a secret that those engines fail - a lot.
Some are well serviced and still fail, while others go on to do big miles to the point where the vehicle's body rusts out and value depreciates nearly to zero.

Have always had a land rover in the family since I was a lad; from Series, defenders, RR Classics to discos, but when it was time to upgrade from the old disco 2, the fact that not really knowing what leads to these failures and what I could do as an owner to prevent it made me go Japanese instead of the LR3 at the time.
Still have the now 21 year disco 2 for sentimental value, in addition to other modern vehicles to appease SWMBO and the kids, but don't think I would ever buy anything from the stables of JLR.
 
Firebobby1 said:
This is crazy and needs bringing to the attention of the general public. I would contact as many news papers as poss and shout long and hard.
If this is a known issue with their engineering, it needs sorting.
Not exactly a 15k fiesta, these were/are sold as prestigious motor's and JLR can't just sweep it under the carpet.
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Its been an issue on the v6 engines since 2004, so is quite common knowledge in the landrover world, more of a financial issue on the 3.0 as any 2.7 still running is likely a goodun, as I understand it the issue is still there on the D5 with the 3.0 v6 engine.
So a d3 wit a blown engine is most likely a scrapper due to age/mileage and low value there wont be much money tied up in the car, but an early d4 is in a pickle as another engine is expensive and cars value is low, add in the fact its an arse to change engine with body on and you can see why labour is so expensive.
But a late d4 is defo worth replacing as their value is hight at present.
 
Smith 2179 said:
Ovals has said £5300 to put in a reconditioned engine…
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Not cheap but even if you sell it straight away after being repaired you will be nearly 5k better off than just selling as is, ie 27k minus 5.3k for engine is still 4.7k better than the 17k offer.
The warranty with Oval might be a good selling point to, or maybe dont even mention it.
 
The fault is either Ford or Peugeot. Their engine has issue, they should be supplying free replacements to LR
 
MJI said:
Ford designed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_AJD-V6/PSA_DT17

And why I bought a last year of manufacture TD5
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Ford/PSA designed in a partnership, as was the DW12 PSA used in the Freelander 2.

The TDV6 crankshafts are made in France IIRC, which are likely outsourced to local firms, as per some law in France.
The TDV6 engines (Ford call it a Lion) used in LRs are built in the UK, from components made a variety European countries.

For some reason, there seems to be a durability issue with some crankshafts, either in the materials used, the way the crankshafts are machined, or the quality of the heat treatment being used.

Not all cranks are effected, which would suggest a quality issue at just one of the manufacturing locations, or just odd batches of cranks being made.
 
Does anyone have any experience with 4x4 engine rebuilds? Quote is reasonable and the reviews online are good… this is what they do, means nothing to me


RECONDITIONING PROCESS

  • Engine is disassembled & each part cleaned thoroughly
  • Cylinder Boring (new liners installed, if required)
  • Crankshaft Checked, reconditioned
  • Engine Block checked & tested
  • Engine Block surface polished
  • Cylinder Head Pressure tested
  • Cylinder Head Skimmed
  • New Main & Big-End Bearings installed
  • New Piston Rings installed
  • New Cylinder Head Gaskets installed
  • New Oil Seals
  • New Valve Stem Seals
  • Valves re-lapped and seated
  • Re-condition Cylinder Head if necessary
  • New Engine Seals
  • Re-condition Pistons
  • Re-condition Con-Rod
  • New Balance Shafts where required
  • New Timing Chain/Belt
  • All Tolerances checked and gauged
  • Engine Re-assembly, all bolts torqued to manufacturers specifications
  • Service Pack Excluded (Oil Filter, Air Filter, S.Plugs/G.Plugs, Oil, Thermostat, Drive Belt)
  • Quality control involves a series of tests prior to engine being re-installed in to vehicle
  • Final inspection and Re-fitting
  • All units come with 6 months Warranty.
 
Smith 2179 said:
Does anyone have any experience with 4x4 engine rebuilds? Quote is reasonable and the reviews online are good… this is what they do, means nothing to me


RECONDITIONING PROCESS

  • Engine is disassembled & each part cleaned thoroughly
  • Cylinder Boring (new liners installed, if required)
  • Crankshaft Checked, reconditioned
  • Engine Block checked & tested
  • Engine Block surface polished
  • Cylinder Head Pressure tested
  • Cylinder Head Skimmed
  • New Main & Big-End Bearings installed
  • New Piston Rings installed
  • New Cylinder Head Gaskets installed
  • New Oil Seals
  • New Valve Stem Seals
  • Valves re-lapped and seated
  • Re-condition Cylinder Head if necessary
  • New Engine Seals
  • Re-condition Pistons
  • Re-condition Con-Rod
  • New Balance Shafts where required
  • New Timing Chain/Belt
  • All Tolerances checked and gauged
  • Engine Re-assembly, all bolts torqued to manufacturers specifications
  • Service Pack Excluded (Oil Filter, Air Filter, S.Plugs/G.Plugs, Oil, Thermostat, Drive Belt)
  • Quality control involves a series of tests prior to engine being re-installed in to vehicle
  • Final inspection and Re-fitting
  • All units come with 6 months Warranty.
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Recondition the pistons, thats a new one on me.

The rest is std practice on any rebuild
Again I think the warranty is dogshti, 6 months!

Also be aware of anyone wanting to collect your car, you want to see where its going with your own eyes

Do no go on price alone, unless you are literally picking the car up straight after the repair and taking it straight to sell/px/wbac it, do not go home/do not stop/do not celebrate just get rid before the inevitable happens.
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Smith 2179 said:
Does anyone have any experience with 4x4 engine rebuilds?
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It's just an engine, which isn't 4X4 specific, as its used in PSA cars, and Jaguar cars too.

Most of that rebuild stuff is just normal engine reconditioning processes (except piston reconditioning?, and block polishing?, both rubbish blurb) but the bottom end of your engine will likely be scrap, as the crank has failed, so you'll get very little if anything off a surcharge applied.

IMO it's better to simply buy another 3.0L engine from a crashed Jaguar XF, as it'll cost less than some so so rebuild.
 
Smith 2179 said:
Does anyone have any experience with 4x4 engine rebuilds? Quote is reasonable and the reviews online are good… this is what they do, means nothing to me


RECONDITIONING PROCESS

  • Engine is disassembled & each part cleaned thoroughly
  • Cylinder Boring (new liners installed, if required)
  • Crankshaft Checked, reconditioned
  • Engine Block checked & tested
  • Engine Block surface polished
  • Cylinder Head Pressure tested
  • Cylinder Head Skimmed
  • New Main & Big-End Bearings installed
  • New Piston Rings installed
  • New Cylinder Head Gaskets installed
  • New Oil Seals
  • New Valve Stem Seals
  • Valves re-lapped and seated
  • Re-condition Cylinder Head if necessary
  • New Engine Seals
  • Re-condition Pistons
  • Re-condition Con-Rod
  • New Balance Shafts where required
  • New Timing Chain/Belt
  • All Tolerances checked and gauged
  • Engine Re-assembly, all bolts torqued to manufacturers specifications
  • Service Pack Excluded (Oil Filter, Air Filter, S.Plugs/G.Plugs, Oil, Thermostat, Drive Belt)
  • Quality control involves a series of tests prior to engine being re-installed in to vehicle
  • Final inspection and Re-fitting
  • All units come with 6 months Warranty.
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That is what they should do, but doing that for a reasonable price is not easy. So a lot of them don't do it, they just say they do.
Check on Turner, and how much they charge for a rebuild of the various Land Rover engines.
And bear in mind that, as stated above, you will also pay for any items that are not recoverable, and that could be quite a lot of money on that type of engine.
 
Interceptorxj said:
Agreed, i wouldn't use anyone who isn't willing to guarantee their work for 12 months minimum.
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In my opinion, if anyone doesn't consider there work good enough to give a sensible length warranty, then they're not worth dealing with, as they'll likely avoid trying to rectify any issues down the line.
 
Positive online reviews are really meaningless. Only trust feedback from club members, groups etc.
My Dad bought a car from a local dealer with great online reviews, the car was full of dangerous faults.
When I later looked online, it was clear all the positive reviews from their mates/family.
 
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